Plaza-Midwood Projects (Central, Commonwealth, The Plaza)

[KJHburg]

New apartment complex maybe coming to the Skyla Credit union site.

from the Biz Journal:

""California developer Republic Metropolitan has plans for a new apartment community near Plaza Midwood.

Republic filed a petition with the city of Charlotte on Tuesday to rezone seven parcels across 2.8 acres, including 718 Central Ave., the current headquarters of Skyla Credit Union. According to the site plan, the San Francisco-based developer wants to build a multifamily community that would include up to 365 units and up to 5,000 square feet of ground-floor retail space. The maximum building height for the area is 85 feet.""

Republic Metropolitan seeks rezoning for Central Avenue property - Charlotte Business Journal (bizjournals.com)

[Guest]

The two houses on that site are from 1910 and are both in great condition. I think a plan like below could be great. 3 story Townhomes in blue, 7 story apartment building in orange.

(Apologies for crude phone drawing)

 

 

Edited December 15, 2023 by MothBeast

[Matthew.Brendan]

13 hours ago, MothBeast said:

The two houses on that site are from 1910 and are both in great condition.

So in other words, kiss them goodbye!

 

[CLT Development]

4 minutes ago, Matthew.Brendan said:

So in other words, kiss them goodbye!

 

Here you go.

[Nathan2]

We have got to get away from large block apartment developments. Small to Medium incremental apartments create just as much density and still fit in with the surrounding community.  Second, it is unfortunate that most of the new and existing apartment developments in the plaza area are surrounded by excessively noisy and polluting highways. 

15 hours ago, KJHburg said:

 

 According to the site plan, the San Francisco-based developer wants to build a multifamily community that would include up to 365 units and up to 5,000 square feet of ground-floor retail space. The maximum building height for the area is 85 feet.""

 

I hate that I sound like a NIMBY here but damn that is a lot of people that are going to be driving to the one grocery store in plaza midwood. Hopefully, we get business that will open to support all the new homes going in, but nothing about this area is friendly to walking. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, CLT Development said:

Here you go.

I just don’t understand why the houses have to go. I’m no NIMBY but those are some of the oldest most beautiful homes in Elizabeth. Bummer.

Fun fact: adjacent to this site is the old Sunnyside Rose Garden (much reduced in size after the construction of independence), which is deed restricted for only white residents. Wouldn’t hold up in court today of course, but if any persons of color want some 100 year dead white folk to roll in their graves I recommend a spiteful visit.

Edited December 15, 2023 by MothBeast

[videtur quam contuor]

All of the 1890-1920's properties in Dilworth had that same clause in the deeds. Other neighborhoods from that era as well. Maids came in the back door and only white guests in the front. Residents of the white race only. Standard stuff and a lesson in our history. Unenforceable today but it continues to travel with the deed. Anyone know how it could be excised from the deed(s)

[Matthew.Brendan]

 

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, videtur quam contuor said:

All of the 1890-1920's properties in Dilworth had that same clause in the deeds. Other neighborhoods from that era as well. Maids came in the back door and only white guests in the front. Residents of the white race only. Standard stuff and a lesson in our history. Unenforceable today but it continues to travel with the deed. Anyone know how it could be excised from the deed(s)

I only work adjacent to real estate but from what I’ve heard it would require a tedious process but is very doable. The only thing is that it would almost certainly make headlines if it was revealed that what is feasibly a city owned park only allows white people (technically). That’s why the city just mows it and pretends it doesn’t exist, let’s the neighbors tend to it’s gardens electively. I’m interested to see if that changes with this adjacent property being redeveloped.

Edit: I may be remembering incorrectly but I believe the old man who lives in the Sunnyside home set for demo tends the garden mostly. I assume he rents.  

Edited December 15, 2023 by MothBeast

[videtur quam contuor]

The first home example is Queen Anne architectural style. Not the same as England Queen Anne which is different style. Queen Anne was popular in US and Charlotte in late 19th century. Some of the oldest homes on Kingston and Park in Dilworth express this style. It includes elements of other styles in a mix that often has a wrap porch. One floor or more.

Second is American Four Square carpenter style. Simple and symmetrical in dimensions and appearance. Always two story. An accomplished carpenter could design and build this house on site as the elements simplify the engineering necessary. These are also seen in Fourth Ward and other older neighborhoods from the late 1800's to early 1900's

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, videtur quam contuor said:

The first home example is Queen Anne architectural style. Not the same as England Queen Anne which is different style. Queen Anne was popular in US and Charlotte in late 19th century. Some of the oldest homes on Kingston and Park in Dilworth express this style. It includes elements of other styles in a mix that often has a wrap porch. One floor or more.

Second is American Four Square carpenter style. Simple and symmetrical in dimensions and appearance. Always two story. An accomplished carpenter could design and build this house on site as the elements simplify the engineering necessary. These are also seen in Fourth Ward and other older neighborhoods from the late 1800's to early 1900's

I know I’m posting a lot but I’m home sick today LOL. I really appreciate this post and loved learning more about these sadly terminal houses.

[unctarheels]

20 hours ago, Matthew.Brendan said:

 

 

Just some information about those two properties:

The first house has been a law office for a while now, and unfortunately (to clarify his situation is unfortunate) a homeless man has been sleeping on the front porch for the better half of the past 6 months. Skyla purchased that property a couple weeks ago for a whopping $3 million dollars, so they could complete the block.

The second picture, Skyla bought that house a couple years ago, and has since degraded greatly compared to the state in that picture.

In regard to needing to be more walkable, Skyla still owns the property across the street (i believe in a prior life it was a wheel chair sales facility) and the rest of the  property stretches all the way to the new Skyla branch. I would assume this property will be sold as well, to make room for some sort of development, i'm hoping retail/restaurants/grocery store. 

Lastly, this is just speculation, but the power lines that are being buried along Central right now, that was done with zero warning, and against Duke policy, I would assume is being done on behalf of the developer and they are paying for it. I've lived nearby for a while, and we have had zero power outages the last two years, so them burying those lines, doesn't make a lot of sense. 

Also - This is technically Elizabeth, not Plaza Midwood (even though most people refer to it as Plaza). 

Edited December 16, 2023 by unctarheels

[Hushpuppy321]

I don’t have any photos to share but I wanted to mention that the 8 Story Office Building under construction in Plaza Midwood (Part of the large Mixed Use Project) is rising fast since it’s a Steel Framed Structure.  Looks like it’s already up to the 4th floor with Framing.

[Nathan2]

The Commonwealth Development office tower is rising fast. Was able to snag this while stuck in traffic. 

[SpiritOf76]

[KJHburg]

I happened to be in this area myself today and got a few shots.  Commonwealth is coming along and the apartments look decent. 

[SpiritOf76]

[Hushpuppy321]

6 Story Office Building (Posting this correction)

[Nathan2]

A car ran into Villani's bakery last night. This is the 4th time in the past two years that a car has hit a business, home, or a power line at this spot on Pecan. Maybe CDOT will wake up and realize a change is needed to slow cars down. This area is bad enough with the gravel parking lot. Cars are constantly parking and driving over the sidewalk here. 

[CLT Development]

1 hour ago, Nathan2 said:

A car ran into Villani's bakery last night. This is the 4th time in the past two years that a car has hit a business, home, or a power line at this spot on Pecan. Maybe CDOT will wake up and realize a change is needed to slow cars down. This area is bad enough with the gravel parking lot. Cars are constantly parking and driving over the sidewalk here. 

I'm stunned people even speed through here, must have been in the middle of the night?

[Nathan2]

51 minutes ago, CLT Development said:

I'm stunned people even speed through here, must have been in the middle of the night?

People drive aggressively fast on this stretch of road for some reason. Villani's is also located right at the end of a bend in the road so I guess people loose control there. Most of these incidents have happened at night. 

[nicholas]

I feel like there should be enough room.  (Excuse the 5 min MS Paint quality).

Edited January 19 by nicholas

[CLT2014]

I would guess drunk driving or texting and driving to not be able to handle that bend. Lots of bars in Plaza and while you'd think this day and age you'd get an Uber when drinking heavily, drunk driving is still very common.

[kermit]

On 1/20/2024 at 7:55 AM, CLT2014 said:

I would guess drunk driving or texting and driving to not be able to handle that bend. Lots of bars in Plaza and while you'd think this day and age you'd get an Uber when drinking heavily, drunk driving is still very common.

Some nice sturdy bollards with the help of Charles Darwin should solve this problem in a few months.

Its silly enough that city streets are built to accommodate cars exclusively, streets certainly do not need to be designed to protect reckless and/or impaired drivers.

Edited January 28 by kermit

[Nathan2]

The intersections at chesterfield and Shenandoah need a paint treatment to slow turning cars. 

Also, How is parking behind Villani's allowed here? The sidewalk is falling apart, muddy and this area has become incredibly hostile to walk through as you now have to dodge cars on both sides of the sidewalk.