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Very good point. I did have to chuckle a bit that 234 N. Church is nowhere to be seen on their marketing booklet! Makes sense of course, being competitors for the same type of customer. I have to say, I am impressed with how thorough the marketing pamphlet you highlighted for us is. The estimates for completions were quite welcome.

Construction costs might have something to do with it also, though they've been high for a while now.

My understanding was that they were waiting for prices to cool off a bit, which I'm sure is a factor in many of these developments.

I know this is probably not "new" news to peeps here, but... ISLA'S ON THE SQUARE coming to the former GROWLER HAUS location, bringing us: "COASTAL KITCHEN - COCKTAILS - OYSTER BAR" That is all.

Much to digest here! Thank you, Spartan. I also saw someone elsewhere post this link to an explanation of PZO. Granted, it's from another county and state altogether, and as I'm not sure if these concepts translate 1-to-1 intrastate, take with a grain of salt! https://www.chescoplanning.org/MuniCorner/eTools/61-PerformanceZoning.cfm How it Works Performance zoning, sometimes called "impact zoning" or "flexible zoning," is a method of regulating the design and location of a development based on factors that relate directly to the development's site and the specific effects of the development on its neighborhood. Performance zoning is a way to make traditional zoning more sensitive to the particular nature of specific development sites and has been used in both residential and non-residential developments. Performance zoning regulations commonly require the identification and mapping of natural and manmade features that are to be protected on a property, while also taking into account the impacts that the development will have on the local neighborhood. In performance zoning, natural features such as wetlands, watercourses, floodplains, and steep slopes are commonly protected from development, as well as woodlands, prime agricultural soils, and historic features. After these areas are identified and mapped, they are deducted from a site's development potential, and the remaining areas can then be developed at a density permitted by the zoning ordinance. In addition to identifying site features that should be protected, performance zoning can also examine the impact of the development on the neighborhood and community, such as lost viewsheds, development that is incompatible with community character, and increased traffic. To ameliorate these impacts, performance zoning might require less intense development, changes to a development design, or improvements to adjoining roads. Benefits Balances Development with a Site's Carrying Capacity The design matches the area's ability to accept development without overburdening the environment, utility and circulation system, etc. Permits a Wider Range of Land Uses When a site's capacity to accept development is balanced with the area's ability to accommodate increased demands on the environment, utility and circulation system, etc., more flexibility in site design and land uses could be permitted. Reduces Potential Land Use Conflicts Almost any land use can be made compatible with adjacent land uses if its potential adverse effects are eliminated or minimized. Offers More Development Flexibility The private sector can respond to market forces more quickly and can use more discretion in deciding on land use types. Increases the Efficiency of Land Usage Performance zoning can make better use of existing infrastructure, which will tend to encourage development (and redevelopment) into places Urban, Suburban and Suburban Center Landscape areas.

Hence why I think Project CORE might be applicable!

Thank you for the thoughtful response. Glad you will be sharing your thoughts publicly!

That was very informative, thank you. The link is for the Performance Zoning that has been applied for the Southwest region. I wonder if any modifications will be done to it before it's rolled out to the county as a whole. Based on their schedule it would seem like it. Wonder what kind of improvements could be done to it. Honestly curious, is there another kind of zoning that you would prefer? I'm fairly new to this topic of county wide zoning. What does Greenville, for example, use? Also... how will this mesh with the previous approvals for mixed-use development in the county?

Thanks to all who contributed to this topic in months past. Just read the whole thread, and it really helped clarify some points for me.

What is performance zoning, specifically? Is that where a general zoning code would apply to the county, so that towns that are not incorporated would have that applied to them? Just noticed a link related to this: http://services.spartanburgcounty.org/OnBaseAgendaOnline/Documents/ViewDocument/COU - Ordinance - LU_PERFORMANCE ZONING ORDINANCE (PZO) DISCUSSION AND ROLLOUT.pdf?meetingId=705&documentType=Agenda&itemId=8785&publishId=18628&isSection=false

I found out that the holding area that is across the street for those waiting trial will no longer be needed as the actual courthouse will serve that purpose also. That should free up that W. St John St and N Daniel Morgan Avenue corner for some new development.

From a post I did once about the QT coming across Ingles: "LET'S REVIEW what's PLANNED/COMING: PLAINVIEW TRACT - 57 new townhomes - Same area, between Plainview Dr. and Plainview Dr. Ext. EAST MAIN TOWNES - 30 new townhomes - Between Foster's Garden Center & Ingles EAST MAIN MEADOWS - 52 townhomes near the Daniel Morgan Technology Center ELLISON DEVELOPMENT - 166 townhomes, 203 patio homes, 242 cottages coming - A bit further down Main Street BRIARWOOD RESERVE - 107 single family residential homes - Intersection of Zion Hill Road & Sloan Groves Rd BERKLEY - 138 townhomes and 316 single family homes - Cannons Campground Road HALLBROOK TOWNES - 445 townhomes - Floyd Road, practically behind Berkley. So - 1,756 NEW RESIDENTIAL UNITS, right there." Am I forgetting anything? That IS going to be a lot of cars. Perhaps the car washes will be fine/merited after all. Also - tried to make it a bit better where the car wash will go. It will use up mostly the East Main Street / Webber Road, yet also cut into the parking lot access. Would the remaining parking be enough for the Star Lanes to be used as a retailer? Or if demolished, a shopping strip? I can't unsee a gas station there, but just wondering through the different options.

I've heard that Circle K is still an option. A rumor, BUT! It would make sense for a gas station to still go into that building area, especially with the car wash combo up front.

You were not wrong! It looks like they will use the chunk closer to E. Main Street. Here are some of the relevant site plan sections:

The possible big retailer/restaurant would be a Phase II project, so that aspect is farther out than what is already happening with the existing building.

Trader Joe's seems to be out, as they prefer to be near highways with heavy traffic. Hence, that site would be out.

Developers for Viking Plaza are looking for suggestions. They are possibly adding a chain store behind the plaza, and restaurants would also be an option.

There appears that a coffee shop is also coming to LeBarone/Viking Plaza, with a possible drive thru as well as a new street that would connect to Home Depot/SHS. I've seen coffee shops near schools do well - gives the kids a place to walk to and wait for their parents while doing homework and the like. Plus, drive thru after dropping off kids makes a LOT of sense! Developers may also add a chain store between that plaza and Home Depot. They are looking for suggestions.

Cool pic! Hope to have an update on 204 E Main Street in the near future.

Looking forward to it! Let me know if you want a bit of promo for it on FB.

"Baskin-Robbins coming to 249 E Blackstock Rd, pending conditional use rezoning approval." It's going up this Thursday to the Planning Commission for review.

Lots of new developments coming to downtown Spartanburg, and this is not even an exhaustive list!

Not that this will be news to anyone here, but here is a summary of some of downtown’s upcoming project. I DID receive soft confirmation that all of the projects are still a go, and some may end up being even bigger than what has already been revealed. Its shaping to be a very exciting year for us. 3-5 years from now, will we even recognize our downtown? All movements in the right direction, in my opinion. onward!

Don't think it's dead either. There was some remediation that needed to be done to the site. That can delay things.

Talking to a tenant whose place of business is very much near the Grain District, he mentioned having received soft confirmation that the site will be used for a baseball stadium. Take that, of course, with a HUGE grain of salt. YET! It's kind of in keeping with the unofficial rumblings I continue to pick up on.