Orlando Citrus Bowl Stadium [Renovation Completed]

[bulldogger]

I know I've read through all the articles on this subject since yesterday, but I find it hard to believe that not once did they mention building a parking garage for the Citrus Bowl.

[CHCTRescue2]

Late breaking news!!! We are not getting an NFL Football Team! I repeat; We are NOT getting an NFL Football Team!! No way, no how!!

[BHCav]

Late breaking news!!! We are not getting an NFL Football Team! I repeat; We are NOT getting an NFL Football Team!! No way, no how!!

Is there a reason you feel this way, or are you posting out of emotion?

[CHCTRescue2]

Excellent question:

Edited August 31, 2006 by CHCTRescue2

[BHCav]

Good points

[JRS1]

yeah, I guess I'd have to agree too.

[Magicfan95]

Well said Rescue, a few months ago I found the 1995 NFL study of Orlando and I posted some of the results on here.

One thing that had them concerned was the amount of people that work (or were projected to work) in the service industries. Thus working Nights and Weekends.

[Dale]

Scott Maxwell in his column today noted that county officials were more enthusiastic about the Citrus Bowl expansion briefing than they were about the PAC briefing.

[Magicfan95]

That's probably because it's been proven that PACs lose more money than any other public venues built.

If you notice they haven't really said much about how much money the PAC can make. Whereas theCitrus Bowl and Arena have made that a major issue.

That being said a new PAC is needed.

[Dale]

That's probably because it's been proven that PACs lose more money than any other public venues built.

If you notice they haven't really said much about how much money the PAC can make. Whereas theCitrus Bowl and Arena have made that a major issue.

That being said a new PAC is needed.

I doubt that any of the three will make money. Maxwell's suspicion was that county officials are more susceptible to the fear of losing major tenants like the Magic and the bowl games. So his suggestion was that the symphony orchestra should threaten to leave if they don't get a new facility.

[sunshine]

Isnt UCF be able to build a new stadium with less money than the cost to renovate the citrus bowl?

[facilities man]

Well said Rescue, a few months ago I found the 1995 NFL study of Orlando and I posted some of the results on here.

One thing that had them concerned was the amount of people that work (or were projected to work) in the service industries. Thus working Nights and Weekends.

Interesting fact about 1995, however, this is 2006. Since 1995 Orlando has grown from about 1.4 million to about 2 million people. A lot of that growth has been outside the tourist sector.

[Dale]

Isnt UCF be able to build a new stadium with less money than the cost to renovate the citrus bowl?

Yes, the Citrus Bowl will cost three to four times as much to 'renovate' as UCF is spending to build anew.

And apparently county officials are excited about it.

[neon9]

Yes, the Citrus Bowl will cost three to four times as much to 'renovate' as UCF is spending to build anew.

And apparently county officials are excited about it.

Can't we bring in the Orlando Brewing Co. with some good beer at the vendors, and some of those guys who hang out in the bathrooms in the clubs downtown to hand out towels and cologne, and call it a day?

Grand total: cab fare for the bathroom guys

[Dale]

Can't we bring in the Orlando Brewing Co. with some good beer at the vendors, and some of those guys who hang out in the bathrooms in the clubs downtown to hand out towels and cologne, and call it a day?

Grand total: cab fare for the bathroom guys

That's just being a wise financial steward. And instead of lightrail, the bathroom guys could moonlight by piloting groups of four to six down the CSX rails in those little hand-powered carts that go down the rails.

Now just put one of those teflon domes over the Eola bandshell, call it the PAC ... and you've got $500 to $750 million left over for Rich DeVos.

[Magicfan95]

Isnt UCF be able to build a new stadium with less money than the cost to renovate the citrus bowl?

Yes, and UCF's new stadium will be nice, but it's a basic steel frame stadium with 45,000 seats and a few club seats and suites. Mostly bench seating.

The Citrus Bowl is talking about creating an enclosed facility. Redoing most the seating from benches to chairs, expanding some areas, adding a lot of suites, etc.

It's a much more extenstive and larger project, thus the reason it costs so much more.

[Magicfan95]

I doubt that any of the three will make money. Maxwell's suspicion was that county officials are more susceptible to the fear of losing major tenants like the Magic and the bowl games. So his suggestion was that the symphony orchestra should threaten to leave if they don't get a new facility.

I don't think any of the facilities will make money either. However, because of the high cost of running and keeping up the facility, factored into other things PAC around the country have lost millions at times. While being used by less than 5% of most communities, the reason comes from the fact that most shows at a PAC only draw from small demographics.

I put the PAC as number 2 on my priority list of the three venues. I would love to see SOMETHING other than the Carr.

[bulldogger]

The Citrus Bowl is talking about creating an enclosed facility.

As in a dome?

[Dale]

As in a dome?

I think he means enclosing the area under the bleachers. It's just an erector set now. There was a rendering in The Sentinel yesterday.

[JRS1]

I don't think any of the facilities will make money either. However, because of the high cost of running and keeping up the facility, factored into other things PAC around the country have lost millions at times. While being used by less than 5% of most communities, the reason comes from the fact that most shows at a PAC only draw from small demographics.

I put the PAC as number 2 on my priority list of the three venues. I would love to see SOMETHING other than the Carr.

Now I'm torn.

50/50 new Arena and new PAC:

I don't think "wow!" when I see the St. Pete Times Union. I do when I see Miami's new PAC. same goes for the AA. THe PAC is a sophisticated item that not all major cities have (or at least a nice one). Most major cities have nice Arenas. They are more common (except in ORL).

If they dump $$$ into the CItrus Bowl (I think they are getting raped by the proposal), then they need to improve the surrounding area and maybe redo Church St. all the way to Parramore. If a new Arena goes on Church as they say, maybe they can spurn new development between the two complexes and bridge the gap.

[bulldogger]

It's just an erector set now.

Yeah, I've been there plenty of times and you have to watch your step when walking under the bleachers or you can trip over I-beams close to the ground.

[Dale]

Seems like the conventional wisdom is that we're definately going to get a spectacular arena for the Magic, a spectacular redo of the Citrus Bowl for tractor pulls and the like, and a PAC built in phases.

[Magicfan95]

I think the PAC is going to be in phases regardless.

[Dale]

I think the PAC is going to be in phases regardless.

Well, the master plan certainly allows for later phases including office, condo and retail. What the pundits are saying is the PAC itself being built in phases. For instance, a symphony hall built first. Then maybe a facility for opera next and so forth.

[sunshine]

So UCF is definitely out of the picture on PAC in this point right?

I wonder why cant they scrap the office and get UCF involve.