Horatio Nelson

This is a thought I had recently, that the constraint of not being able to expand its borders as much forced the city of Greenville to double down on its downtown. That we would have sprawled out (more). Does anyone else think if we run the history of the city of Greenville again without the constraint of the ring of mills (Not allowing themselves to be annexed) on its city borders it would not have been as successful?

No this has been planned for a while.

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I've come to one planning meeting, but have forgotten the other times I've meant to. That's on me! Maybe we should have a pinned thread of just important upcoming meetings? That people should think about attending if they want to advocate for a specific outcome? I know this info is distributed in various separate threads but due to the nature of forums that gets buried fast.

I mean you joke, but commenting when there is an official comment period, and showing up to open meetings when things like this are presented is indeed how you push back. And the more the merrier (an official group helps with organizing).

It's a false choice. People think they have the choice between being a big city and a small town, but because you can't stop people from moving here the actual choice is between being an endless sprawling suburb (like Houston) or being a denser city with more managed growth.

As far as I know the plan for Greenlink is once they've finished their new Bus Maintenance facility is to increase the frequency of the buses from once an hour to once every thirty minutes which still isn't great but at least gets the system into the realm of usefulness. And I would say that you are wrong on their being no emphasis on building mixed use that's the city's entire 2040 plan. The node and corridor plan is a great idea to shape the city into something that has the density to maintain a better bus system at the very least and the expansion of the Swamp Rabbit Trail along the Lauren's road corridor next year will do loads for the bike and walkability in that direction. I say all this knowing we are miles away from being good in terms of multi-modal transportation but I'd say Greenville is proceeding a very good clip considering the part of the country we are in and our relationship with transportation that doesn't start with C and end with R.

I just checked the prices for the two large apartment building next to this one. And these prices you are quoting are way higher than 400 Rhett and Link on the order of almost double. I understand how Deca might be able to get away with these prices being so centrally located among other things, but this building is farther away and a lot bigger. Also just checked the 408 Jackson to see if it was just a new apartment thing but no it's prices were more in line with the other two I mentioned.

Walked down the open part of Lauren's Road Swamp Rabbit Trail. If the rest of it is like this it's going to be great.

Key Points (Copied Directly from Article) Annexation in Greenville has come much more rarely than in Charleston or Columbia. Mill villages and special purpose districts make the situation in Greenville different. Greenville is embarking on more annexations now, though, amid rising population in the county at available contiguous locations with a process of "growth management." While there are often benefits to residents and the city, the expansions bring costs, too. Also thought this info was interesting "While Charleston has annexed 7,161 acres since 1982 and Columbia has annexed 2,891 acres, Greenville has annexed just 757 acres, according to research compiled by Greenville city councilmember Russell Stall." "City Council has prioritized annexation as Greenville continues to grow. The city has done 26 annexations since mid-2021, a significant uptick, said Assistant City Manager Shannon Lavrin. The previous high was 16 annexation ordinances passed in 2018."

Makes sense, they have a battery pack assembly building onsite, but it's tiny.

If I had to guess, it's about a major investment in BEV vehicles at the plant (Which would be great for the plant's future). It currently only really builds (as an option) hybrids/plugin hybrids/maybe one BEV option (I don't remember). BMW is having to catch up on their electrification strategy, because when I was there a couple years ago, the internal planning documents I saw in terms of how long they thought the transition would take was way off (As of the trends in 2022).

As someone who grew up in the Presbyterian church, I always joke their second holy book is Robert's Rules of Order.

Hurray? Hear that people who don't like big buildings (who definitely mostly don't frequent a forum named UrbanPlanet so I'm just yelling into the void), not only should we build them they need to be taller and bigger.

That was fast, probably some kind conflict among management.

Complaining about a building being too big in the part of downtown (West End) zoned for the densest development seems odd to me. It's going to be a big building surrounded by other big buildings.

The one in the former Lemon Grass space? That was fast.

Exciting, it looked like the bridge was pretty much done for a while now, I was wondering when they would lift the final stretch.

The city of Greenville did drop a pretty decent youtube video about it yesterday.

There absolutely needs to be more grocery options downtown. I used to walk to get my groceries from Publix and it was great. The closer people are to a grocery store the more likely people are to walk to it (I've read within a 1/2 distance is ideal but a mile is the limit). We need to stop thinking and building things with the idea that everything needs to be driven to. For that matter why aren't there more corner stores downtown? (CVS, or QT probably qualify) Places where you can get a couple quick staple foods.

https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/two-historically-segregated-parks-in-south-carolina-become-new-unity-park-145010757611

I was downtown at the exact same time at the exact same place, and I have no idea what you are talking about. There are a couple of bars in that area like Sip (which tell me if I'm crazy the clientele of that bar got a lot younger after the pandemic) so people tend to congregate. It hasn't really changed over the last ten years I've been downtown around that time (maybe more people). The nightlife of a city tends to be a different crowd than during the day. I will agree about loud cars but I've never understood why people drive down mainstreet in the first place much less while reving their engines or playing loud music.

Pictures I took on my bike ride yesterday. -The bridge they are redoing before you get to Cleveland Park. -On the entrance to Cancer Survivor's Park. Additionally as an anecdote. I saw a CUV barreling full speed down the swamp rabbit trail (on the section where the YMCA is toward Greenville Tech). I don't know how she got past the barrier and I didn't stick around to see how she turn her car around once she realized that she wasn't on a road designed for cars.

The bridge over the Laurens road next to Willy Taco is also making good progress. Two big cranes are over there on either side, and yesterday when I drove past it looked like the concrete pillars to hold the bridge were starting to be installed/built.