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Height doesn't bother me. I like the density. I like the heights will be similar and not too tall (creating congestion). But, I REALLY like just about every building will have retail on the bottom floor. I really like how all the streets will be tree-lined. I like how there is a grocery store planned. That's how you design a vibrant community. Grocery store, drug store, dry-cleaner, gym, and a few restaurants/bars ---- people won't have to leave the neighborhood in a car. I think some you nay-sayers will like the finished product.

You are free to disagree, but your opinion does not change the fact that the park is on floodplain. The reason they moved the location of the Greenville utility works from the that location (and transformed it into a park) is because of frequent floods. So the city was pretty aware of how frequent and severe the flooding was. You don't stop flooding by having a pretty view of a river. Plantings to foster woodland growth and also wetland management are generally considered the most cost-efficient and natural way to stop floods. That is why you see so much planting in front of the Commons and Southernside. Otherwise, the city could build a system of dykes, retention ponds, etc. That is a lot of money for a view you can get 1/4 mile down the river. More info on floodcontrol: https://www.heraldopenaccess.us/openaccess/flood-control-and-its-management

My sentiments, exactly! Mid-rise provides density without congestion. And surface parking is the worst. We could use some more bold architecture, though. Some examples: https://www.lundhumphries.com/blogs/features/mid-rise-urban-living-by-chris-johnson

Parking is impossible there.

Is there a sub-topic on here that allows users to post what developments Greenville should have? Like a 24/7 gym (weights and cardio), not on Main St. (so there is easy parking), but within a mile or two of DT that is open 24/7? Everything closes at 9:00 p.m., or earlier. I'd even take a gym that's open to 11:00 p.m. Examples: https://www.atlantabarbellgym.com/ https://www.trainuntamed.com/membership/

I used to live in that area. If the developer presented a grocery store of some type, a parking garage instead of surface spaces, and a nice / decent sized green space away from Academy with some trees/shade/benches (along with the rest of what they want to develop)--- I bet the neighborhood would clamor to have them.

Development meeting scheduled for 7/12/22 at 6:30 p.m. at the Kroc Center. Looks like info on rezoning the Academy facing parcel to C-4 zoning.

Shame, seems like a missed opportunity to fix that SRT underpass into something nicer and safer.

Anyone know if the SRT under the McDaniel Bridge will get widened or improved when they take 6-9 months to update the bridge? The SRT under the bridge can be a treacherous turn, especially after a rain with mud build up. https://www.greenvillesc.gov/civicalerts.aspx?AID=2815&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2022.06.30 GVL&utm_term=GVLtoday Subscribers - MASTER

Thank you, correction is needed. Just the splash pad will be closed. https://unityparkgreenville.com/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=2806

I heard Unity Park will now be closed 2 weeks for maintenance and repair? Is this true? This is why I thought the money for the Tower should have initially been used to maintain the park. Thousands of people already go every weekend. It will need a lot of TLC-$ to go through the initial growing pains. And I understand local neighborhoods argument that "a promise is a promise." But at what cost? People can't use the park now. We've lost the forest for the trees on this issue. Why not push Tower construction to a later date when the park is established and fully functional. Get the ground down right first, and then build on it? As an aside: 1. As a parent of young children. I have no idea who designed the splash-pad area, but they clearly do not have young children. Putting a rock garden there so kids can either walk (and then fall) on them, or grab rocks and then take them to the hilly playground to roll them down the hills (hitting other children) is something that should have been easily foreseen. Also, the entrance to the pad is also backwards. People are trampling through the mulched / planted area from the main sidewalk because otherwise they have to walk around the children's area to get there. 2. No Shade? One water fountain? I LOVE all the young trees that were planted. But this is South Carolina. Limited shade structures? It will be a decade before these young trees render any real shade benefits. I'm glad they've added some very temporary structures. But again, would I rather have a small "Tower" or a lot of shade and water fountains so I can enjoy the park. I'd pick shade and water- every day. 3. (edit for additional thought). Someone needs to talk to grounds crew. They're making the typical mistake of cutting the grass WAY too short. Cut too short then the grass will dry and die. I guess they do this to lengthen the period between cuts? That's lazy. I'd rather have slightly taller / wilder grass then a field of dried up grass and dirt patches. It's okay to have clover and dandelions growing - as long as the area remains green. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/12/191219074744.htm

https://www.greenvillesc.gov/DocumentCenter/View/296/Haynie-Sirrine-Master-Plan-PDF?bidId=

Are you talking about the vacant land south of Downtown, just south of new County Square Development, and sandwiched between Haynie and Wakefield Streets / Howe and Church Streets? They could also get the County Square developers involved. If so....

Man, this is incredible. We've come a long way since 2009. Thanks for posting. Investment like this is what spurs development, tourism, and increases the quality of life for more residents here (yes, I'm looking at you proposed Bridgeway Soccer Stadium).

Sirrine Stadium, yeah, that's probably not going to happen. Parking. It's the parking, man. The area turns into a cluster even with small-ish High School games. The Greenville FC soccer club couldn't make it work there, either. Plus, no room to tailgate. No bars or restaurants nearby other than a 35 seat Sidewall across the street. Eventual bars/restaurants will be uphill and over a half mile away at County Square. But you want bars/restaurants closer to the venue. Why not wait 1 year and propose at the Union Bleachery? The Union Bleachery developer might kick in and assist with the build, and then Erwin wouldn't have to seek corporate welfare from the County. Judging by the responses on Reddit, the Council did the right thing. https://www.reddit.com/r/greenville/comments/sumhac/greenville_county_council_got_it_all_wrong/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Didn't the "road diet" on East North Street work? Really, I don't know. I don't normally drive that road often anymore. I think the turn lanes will be HUGE benefit. It gets the left-turn'ers out of the way allowing traffic to keep moving at a steady pace without sudden stops and cars darting between lanes. The traffic study does state traffic time will increase very slightly. And I'm totally okay with that if it means a significantly less stressful driving experience on Augusta, and less accidents between vehicles (and vehicles vs. bikers, and pedestrians). I remember when everyone on Next Door fretted and laughed at the traffic calming bump-outs and restriping on McDaniel Ave. Now, it's crickets on the subject, or the same whiners post pictures of the pretty flowers in the "pot bunkers" they initially hated and called them. So, I'm going to assume the traffic experts also know what they're doing on Augusta Road. I expect it to be an improvement.

Agreed, but even without the ice-rink that space is a meeting point for a lot of people to sit and talk in a non-commercial environment. Kids use it as a playground on the weekends - especially during the farmers market. It helps that public restrooms are right there, too. Except of lacking some shade at certain times in the summer, it's a real oasis. Check it out on Saturday mornings or during other special events in other locations downtown. A lot of people to congregate there before, after, and during the events. I see people on the weekends taking a break there as they stroll Main St. Overall, a great example of why cities need some small-ish pocket parks sprinkled around retail and restaurant dominated areas. I wish the city would buy what is left after the restaurant addition. Just a lot of different organic uses that will help surrounding commercial businesses be more attractive. Add some shade and it makes a great place to stop and take a break in the middle of the day in the the city. Makes Greenville more attractive to visitors.

This is a very interesting idea. Sell City Hall to Rocco, or swap building-for-land in the County Square development. Then build City Hall to exact specifications they want, and future proof it as much as possible it. Rocco could work with city on timelines, too. City Hall remains centrally located with easy access off of Church. Rocco benefits because the move will make County Square development even more dense, and accelerate it's growth. City Hall will be almost next door to the new County building. Greenville governments are set for the next 100+ years.

Great pictures, Gman. Thanks. No tower, but if the whole project is as dense as that corner is then I think it will be really nice and major development.

I hope the material and architecture is an improvement over prior projects. Granted, I do not know that the budget was for these prior projects. https://mccallcap.com/communities/past

Shrewd investment, in my opinion. Grand Bohemian and UCB-HQ will be the anchor and model for development of the area contained by Calvin St, Broad St., Falls St., and Camperdown Way. Burying power lines, sidewalks, and little curb appeal will pay off down the line.

Thanks. Eight O'Clock was the name of the former grocery store next door. So maybe someone wants to bring a smaller version (grab and go) back, the developer that built Alta Vista Place over the old Eight O'Clock named their LLC after it, or the famous Eight O'Clock coffee roaster is getting into retail now.

Anyone know what is being built at 101 Cleveland Street (29601).

Greenville News has an article titled, "Development Interests spent $77,000 on County Council...." It's behind a pay-wall so I wasn't able to read it. I see an article today about a "hasty passage of county development rule..." Basically, County Council railroaded new land-development regulations that benefit developers and encourage sprawl. Does anyone know if there is any relation between the two articles (i.e. did the County Council members that received money from development interests approve the new land-development regulations)? Are our county council representatives being bought by special interests?

I think the market they're looking to fill is the high-end business convention. Small? Yes. Lucrative? Very. Think medical conferences (continuing learning requirement), engineering conferences, legal conferences (continuing learning requirements), medical device, corporate marketing and sales gatherings, accounting conferences, regional or nationwide corporate gathering, etc. Basically, it's space to get a large number of people together for speakers, presentations, and seminars. Then maybe additional space large enough to host a party for hundreds of people at one time - in the middle of downtown nonetheless. Nothing involved with products (car-show, boat-show, garden-show, or wedding-show). Greenville doesn't have this type of space right now. It probably is very risky for a private hotel group to build this type of space with this square-footage in this market. New Orleans, Atlanta, Chicago, Washington DC all have hotels with this type of conference space and square footage. These "conference hotels" will host and profit from these events. I've been to all these cities and stayed at these "conference hotels" for continuing learning education requirements (you basically sit in a giant hall for a couple of days and listen to seminars, there is a separate large breakout hall for vendor booths and the free daily breakfast, and maybe a different space set-up for a buffet style dinner with an open bar/live music on one of the nights of the conference. Attendees all go out for lunch each day, and also dinner at night at a high-end restaurant for special meal with colleges or clients (plus drinks late into the evening). Greenville doesn't have this. So Greenville loses out on revenue to the cities that get these events with all the high-spenders who stay in expensive hotel rooms, and put expensive food, drinks, and entertainment on the corporate card for an eventual write-off. Plus attendees might also do shopping, or see experience Greenville for the first time and decide to relocate. So the convention center could help indirectly attract new professionals and talent, too. Edit (examples): DC: https://www.marriott.com/hotels/event-planning/business-meeting/wasjw-jw-marriott-washington-dc/#m-capacity-container New Orleans: https://www.hyatt.com/en-US/hotel/louisiana/hyatt-regency-new-orleans/msyrn/special-events Chicago: https://www.hyatt.com/en-US/hotel/illinois/hyatt-regency-chicago/chirc/special-events