Medium City Skyline

[Viper]

tHE MODIS and the BOA. building is over 100 ft shorter then the bellsouth so GO Nashville.

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Nashville:

Bellsouth - 617 ft 33 floors

Jacksonville:

BOA - 617 ft 43 floors

Modis - 535 ft 37 floors

The Modis is 82 feet shorter and the BOA is of equal hight and requires no spire to do so. Yet as Lakelander pointed out, the RiverPointe buildings will be 133 feet taller than the Bellsouth building each.

[cheeriokid61]

I've never seen those RiverPointe buildings. There pretty neat. However, unlike the Bellsouth Building, their spires aren't part of the actual design. They're just there. I say we just call this a tie. All right?

[Viper]

I've never seen those RiverPointe buildings. There pretty neat. However, unlike the Bellsouth Building, their spires aren't part of the actual design. They're just there. I say we just call this a tie. All right?

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What do you mean 'not part of the actual design. They're just there.'?

[brewerw]

Signature will match Riverfront. With the extra building Jax will gain more depth. They will be very close. BTW, there a pic including both on the last page. It still dosnt have as much depth currently. I nasvhille there are more than 9 projects. There was a post that shows all our projects and there are more than Jax.

[Viper]

Signature will match Riverfront. With the extra building Jax will gain more depth. They will be very close. BTW, there a pic including both on the last page. It still dosnt have as much depth currently. I nasvhille there are more than 9 projects. There was a post that shows all our projects and there are more than Jax.

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Emporis, though missing 13 Jax projects of 20 stories or higher still has more listed for Jax than Nash and I searched for all the threads containing the Nashville projects and found a few that compiled them all but none came close to the one for Jax.

http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=2669

[sleepy]

I think all our large cities are doing incredible things. No need to list them, they're all doing it. I personally think Nashville, Charlotte and Jacksonville are more immediately poised for greater things, but Birmingham, Memphis, Louisville, the NC metros (and the others, you know who you are) are nipping at our heels.

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In terms of skyline, Memphis is nipping at the heels of nobody. In terms of downtown development, I would say many cities are nipping at the heels of Memphis.

[bobliocatt]

Signature will match Riverfront. With the extra building Jax will gain more depth. They will be very close. BTW, there a pic including both on the last page. It still dosnt have as much depth currently. I nasvhille there are more than 9 projects. There was a post that shows all our projects and there are more than Jax.

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I doubt it. There is a post showing construction estimates, for different projects, but its highly unreliable because the costs of several large projects are still unkown at this time. All of Florida's downtowns are growing at a rapid rate that hasn't been seen around here since the booming 20's. Its hard to keep up with, but in downtown alone, not counting what's been completed, there's around 5,000 residential units planned or under construction. That's not even including the urban development taking place in Riverside, Springfield, San Marco & Jax Beach.

As far as Signature goes, it still seems to be in the "pie-in-the-sky" stage. When is it supposed to break ground? The Riverpointe Twins are scheduled to break ground later this year. Anyway a head-to-head list of proposed downtown projects over 20 stories would be interesting comparision. If someone will provide the other city's, I'll provide Jax's.

BTW, Sleepy's right. All of these cities look up to Memphis, when it comes to having a compact and vibrant core.

[Viper]

Its hard to keep up with, but in downtown alone, not counting what's been completed, there's around 5,000 residential units planned or under construction.  That's not even including the urban development taking place in Riverside, Springfield, San Marco & Jax Beach.

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Southern US City Building Permits YTD 2004

Nashville-Davidson

Type: Buildings, Units, Construction Cost

Single Family: 3,492 3,492 524,660,380

Two Family: 175 350 38,752,222

Three and Four Family: 1 4 131,652

Five or More Family: 37 814 82,472,716

Total: 3,705 4,660 646,016,970

I think that alone is very telling.

[brewerw]

thats not countung signature, or outside the dowtown area either.

[Viper]

thats not countung signature, or outside the dowtown area either.

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The data I gave for buildings includes everything proposed in Davidson county, including Signature which has a construction completion date of 2009.

[brewerw]

There are alot more than that and even so it is not far from Jax, the Jax number was a balpark too. Even if it were exact 340 units is not a huge margin. I bet its more around 100 units in Jax favor.

[Viper]

The US Census does not ballpark.

[brewerw]

Look, Lake said around!

[Viper]

You meant his numbers. OK.

Either way, that's around 5,000 for just Jax downtown and 4,660 last year for all of Davidson county.

[rocket9561]

Jacksonville is a Florida coast city. It should certainly be seeing a lot of condo developments in the city center and I'm actually surprised it hasn't took off as fast as other coastal cities in the state.

[bobliocatt]

^Outside of the Miami, the number of condo developments going up is on par with any other area in Florida. The main difference is most other Florida cities are heavily reliant on tourism, leading to the development of highrise hotels and resorts, as well. Jax is pretty much a working class "rust belt" city in the South that's just now being discovered by developers down South.

[Viper]

Jacksonville has been this sleeping giant for a long time. Developers looked further downstate and just bypassed us. We were never in the spotlights, no big national media coverage, and other issues. It has finally gotten to the point that it can't be ignored any longer and yes, there is a big condo rage right now. The Intracoastal has some huge condo projects planned as well.

[brewerw]

This is silly, both are winning in certain areas. The point is that both are doing well!

They are pretty equal.

[bobliocatt]

Brewerw,

believe me, no one is taking this seriously, we're just having a little fun learning more about each place.

[DallasTexan]

Yeah, because everyone truly knows that Birmingham owns them both

[Viper]

This is silly, both are winning in certain areas. The point is that both are doing well!

They are pretty equal.

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This thread would have died long ago if we didn't heat it up a bit.

It's all in good fun.

[ATLBrain]

The data I gave for buildings includes everything proposed in Davidson county, including  Signature which has a construction completion date of 2009.

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Permits are not pulled for proposals. The permit is one of the last steps just before groundbreaking. All cost estimates must be finalized by that point. Of course, things can change during construction, but revisions can require repermitting.

[FLORIDA SKYRISE ORDER]

Charlotte for me could compete with Atlanta and Miami anyday.

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I DON'T THINK CHARLOTTE COULD EVER COMPETE WITH MIAMI; HAVE YOU SEEN MIAMI'S SKYLINE LATELY? IT IS ON A PAR WITH HOUSTIN, ATLANTA, EVEN LA BUT NOT IN HEIGHT; CHECK IT OUT.

FLORIDAY SKYRISE

[Spartan]

I think one could easily make the argument that Miami's skyline blows LA's out of the water.

[charlotteQC]

Charlotte by far has the best medium sized skylin none can compare not nashville not jacksonvill new orleans not richmond nobody we have 12 residential towere all in the 40-50 story range and we are getting many new banking and music industry headquarters sorry but none can compete with the queen city yes charlotte is coming up.charlotte is already this seccond richest city in america and the fastest growing in america.The Queen City has earned her spot as the queen city and lives up to its name Queen City baby .