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St. Louis and Atlanta hosted the Summer Olympics Games and neither are tier 2 cities.

Tier 1

New York City

Tier 2

Chicago

Los Angeles

Tier 3

Washington, DC

Boston

San Francisco

Miami

Atlanta

Dallas

Houston

Tier 4

Philadelphia

Seattle

Minneapolis

Denver

Tier 5

Detroit

St. Louis

Charlotte

Portland

San Diego

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monsoon Gigalopolis

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My take on this.

Tier 1 - World Cities, anyone anywhere in the world knows about these places, Metro above 15M

  • NYC

  • Los Angeles

Tier 2 - Nationally known, some world focus, CSA above 5M

  • Chicago

  • Miami

  • Philadelphia

  • Dallas

  • Detroit

  • Boston

  • San Francisco

  • Washington DC

  • Houston

Tier 3 - Big Regionals, Known without having the state name added, CSA above 2M

  • Atlanta

  • Seattle

  • Charlotte

  • Cleveland

  • Pittsburgh

  • Cincinnati

  • Denver

  • Sacramento

  • Minneapolis-St Paul

  • St. Louis

  • Tampa

  • Phoenix

Tier 4

Is it really important?

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Twin Cities-- when St. Louis hosted the Olympics it was the 4th largest city in the USA.

And if you honestly think Minneapolis and Denver outrank Detroit, you need to check yourself into a hospital. Detroit is FAR more prominent on the economic, industrial and historical stage.

And I think St. Louis is at least equal to Denver (STL is still a larger metro). Charlotte is not in the same class as STL, Detroit or San Diego, not even close. You have a warped sense of reality there, my friend. Minneapolis is slightly ahead of other cities in the Midwest with the exception of Chicago and Detroit, but it isn't "absurd" to put it on the same playing field as STL, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, etc. It's just a different kind of city (not as classic IMO). You have delusions of grandeur.

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Urbanized Areas, >1 million

Urbanized area is NOT the same as metropolitan population. It represents only the continously developed portions of a metropolitan complex. It is probably the most accurate indicator of a city/metro's true size.

1) New York--Newark, NY--NJ--CT 17,799,861

2) Los Angeles--Long Beach--Santa Ana, CA 11,789,487

3) Chicago, IL--IN 8,307,904

4) Philadelphia, PA--NJ--DE--MD 5,149,079

5) Miami, FL 4,919,036

6) Dallas--Fort Worth--Arlington, TX 4,145,659

7) Boston, MA--NH--RI 4,032,484

8) Washington, DC--VA--MD 3,933,920

9) Detroit, MI 3,903,377

10) Houston, TX 3,822,509

11) Atlanta, GA 3,499,840

12) San Francisco--Oakland, CA 3,228,605

13) Phoenix--Mesa, AZ 2,907,049

14) Seattle, WA 2,712,205

15) San Diego, CA 2,674,436

16) Minneapolis--St. Paul, MN 2,388,593

17) St. Louis, MO--IL 2,077,662

18) Baltimore, MD 2,076,354

19) Tampa--St. Petersburg, FL 2,062,339

20) Denver--Aurora, CO 1,984,889

21) Cleveland, OH 1,786,647

22) Pittsburgh, PA 1,753,136

23) Portland, OR--WA 1,583,138

24) San Jose, CA 1,538,312

25) Riverside--San Bernardino, CA 1,506,816

26) Cincinnati, OH--KY--IN 1,503,262

27) Virginia Beach, VA 1,394,439

28) Sacramento, CA 1,393,498

29) Kansas City, MO--KS 1,361,744

30) San Antonio, TX 1,327,554

31) Las Vegas, NV 1,314,357

32) Milwaukee, WI 1,308,913

33) Indianapolis, IN 1,218,919

34) Providence, RI--MA 1,174,548

35) Orlando, FL 1,157,431

36) Columbus, OH 1,133,193

37) New Orleans, LA 1,009,283

http://www.demographia.com/db-ua2000pop.htm

Oh yeah, Minneapolis outranks Detroit, keep smoking that crack. Denver is sooooo much more important than St. Louis, okeeee....

Get off your high horse, Twin Cities. Time to come back down to earth, you're not an authority on anything and you are just making crap up.

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Urbanized Areas, >1 million

Oh yeah, Minneapolis outranks Detroit, keep smoking that crack.  Denver is sooooo much more important than St. Louis, okeeee....

Get off your high horse, Twin Cities.  Time to come back down to earth, you're not an authority on anything and you are just making crap up.

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Prove me wrong.

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So exactly how did you conclude that Minneapolis ranks above Detroit?  There is no indication of that whatsoever.

I guess this thread is based on opinion, which is perfectly fine, but I am just wondering what you base yours on.  I imagine hometown boosterism plays a role.

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Well, the following plays a role in why I think the Minneapolis area ranks above Detroit.

Fortune 500

Company; Sales

Target; $48.16 billion

United Health Group; $28.82 billion

Best Buy; $22.67 billion

SuperValu; $19.16 billion

3M; $18.23 billion

US Bank; $15.35 billion

General Mills; $10.50 billion

Northwest Airlines; $9.51 billion

CHS; $9.39 billion

St. Paul Companies; $8.95 billion

Xcel; $7.93 billion

Medtronic; $7.66 billion

Thrivent; $6.57 billion

Land O' Lakes; $5.97 billion

Nash Finch; $3.97 billion

Ecolab; $3.76 billion

CH Robinson; $3.61 billion

Pepsi Americas; $3.23 billion

*The Mosaic Company; $4.5 billion (new company; will be on Fortune 500)

Fortune 1000

Company; Sales

Pentair; $2.72 billion

Bemis; $2.63 billion

Valspar; $2.24 billion

Alliant Techsystems; $2.17 billion

Intl. Multifoods; 2.08 billion

St. Jude Medical; $1.93 billion

Minnesota Life Ins.; $1.82 billion

Allete; $1.72 billion

Regis; $1.68 billion

Patterson Dental: $1.65 billion

Polaris Industries; $1.60 billion

Toro; $1.49 billion

H.B. Fuller; $1.28 billion

Michael Foods $1.27 billion

Ceridian; $1.25 billion

Deluxe; $1.24 billion

Donaldson; $1.21 billion

Forbes Largest Private Companies

Rank; Company; Sales

1. Cargill (America's largest privately-held firm); $59.8 billion

43. Schwan Food; $3.5 billion

91. Andersen; $2 billion

127. Carlson Cos.; $1.7 billion

130. Musicland Group $1.7 billion

200. Taylor; $1.2 billion

204. Holiday Cos.; $1.2 billion

216. Rosen

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^ It's okay to dream. 

Two large banks and nine Fortune 500 companies (including Bank of America and Wachovia) aren't going to move Charlotte above a tier 5 city.

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Nor will an giant overbuilt, underused eyesore of a mall that Minneapolis is mostly known for, move it above a lower tier city.

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I see, so big business is the only factor in ranking tiers in your opinion. 

btw, do you have the list for Detroit?  I don't know the number of Fortune 500 companies that city has, but I know Detroit has Fortune 500's #1 company (GM).

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Big business isn't the only factor, but they definitely help don't you think? Obviously there are other factors that might make a city a tier above another. For example, Minneapolis beats out Detroit in airport activity and the arts.

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monsoon Gigalopolis

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But you can take everyone of those Minneapolis companies and their sales don't add up to the size of GM and Ford and their impact on the National economy.

How many Fortune 100 companies are based in Minneapolis. That is a better story on its importance if business HQs are used as a measuring stick.

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Nor will an giant overbuilt, underused eyesore of a mall that Minneapolis is mostly known for, move it above a lower tier city.

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LOL!! Whatever. Over 40 million people a year visit the MOA and it's expanding by an additional 5 million sq. feet so...

And I never said anything about a stupid mall.

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But you can take everyone of those Minneapolis companies and their sales don't add up to the size of GM and Ford and their impact on the National economy.

How many Fortune 100 companies are based in Minneapolis.  That is a better story on its importance if business HQs are used as a measuring stick.

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Minneapolis has 4 and Detroit has 3.

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Minneapolis has 4 and Detroit has 3.

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Actually the Detroit had 5 in the Fortune 100

Dow

Delphi

Kmart

Ford

General Motors

Like I said earlier, Ford & General motors are so significantly larger than the combined total of the Fortune 1000 in Minneapolis, it easily bests the Twin Cities in this area.

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Ha, I love it, this thread rocks!!  Before it was Houston Vs. Chicago, then Houston Vs. the World, now its Minneapolis Vs. Detroit.  Dont forget this is an oppinion thread! :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

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My intention wasn't to turn it into a versus thread. I stated my opinion and then was accused of smoking crack and I think I was even called a weirdo at one point. I think my list was fairly accurate. Maybe Detroit and Charlotte could be ranked higher, but who really cares.

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