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It catches a lot of flack around here simply for being our tallest for over 30 years now, but without it, our skyline instantly becomes really boring and pedestrian. We just need a couple of more daring designs alongside it to push things further.

We have a ton to be proud of, Nashville really was the better team for the vast majority of that game. Credit to their goalie and of course, Messi, for that insane goal. I unfortunately could not afford tickets, but the atmosphere was electric even on TV. This stands out to me as as one of the most exciting sporting events that this city has ever hosted.

It's my understanding that the Stadium design itself is pretty close to finalized, it's more the surrounding areas that remain visionary right now.

Personally I think this may easily be Nashville's ugliest highrise, but demolishing a building that's only a couple of decades old seems a bit wasteful if the structure is truly still holding up.

So I'll say a couple things here- baseball and racing are two very different sports. Baseball may be the quietest of all major sports due to how many breaks are built in to the game. There will still be a lot to discuss regarding traffic and other logistics if that project ever happens, but NASCAR brings on additional concerns that baseball will not. Another difference would be that this project is up for debate right now and can become reality very soon, whereas the Nashville Stars proposal still lacks a lot of necessary funding and any sort of commitment from MLB. There are concrete details and renderings for this plan, while an MLB Stadium being built in North Nashville is merely a suggestion still. I understand what you're meaning to imply and I take things of that nature very seriously, but it's not an apt comparison and you're really reaching in trying to draw parallels between the two situations as they currently stand.

That's fair, you are right that it will certainly still be smaller than the largest Superspeedways. However, downplaying these proposed changes as though they will not result in significant increases to the level of noise, vibration, traffic, and overall disruption of the races here for neighbors is just not accurate. These renovations will attract more and larger racing events for better and for worse. Boiling down concerns over that as simply being attributed to misinformation or blind NIMBYism is, again, unfair in my opinion. For my first point, I think that you're oversimplifying what I'm saying. The Fairgrounds track hasn't been used for NASCAR in decades, whereas the Titans play on the East Bank now. There is a NASCAR Superspeedway that we already have right now that is being underutilized. Why would we not start there? I don't think locals should be on the bad end of this deal because NASCAR's event model has grown stale and their leadership wants to shake things up to get fans interested again. I certainly understand the headaches surrounding the potential logistics of attending such a race in Lebanon, but that is what NASCAR races have required since forever. It's one of the reasons that I do not love racing, but I see having to drive a bit further out as one of the prices you pay when the sport you're watching entails loud race cars doing laps for hours. Don't get me wrong, you both lay out good points and I hope I don't sound too combative. If the charter is truly written in a way that racing must be a part of the Fairgrounds and if we don't accept this deal with NASCAR then locals will be footing the bill for more renovations, then I can see the positives. I just don't ever think that saying "well, this area has been used for this purpose for many years" is ever a good way to think about things in cities, especially in one as dynamic as Nashville is right now. With that same philosophy, we'd still have industry on the downtown riverfront, farmland where West End is now, etc. If the charter could be rewritten so that something like this can't be dangled over our heads, I would certainly be interested in that. If racing must stay, then I can accept this as a decent compromise as well I suppose.

I don't agree with this characterization, I see it as more equivalent to buying a house near a small private plane airport before being told that there is a push to upgrade it into a full service International Airport. The idea that residents should have always anticipated NASCAR taking interest in a small city track that radically differs from their traditional track model is completely unfair in my opinion. I agree that I prefer sports venues be near the core of the city and exist as a part of the urban fabric, but none of the other entities you refer to had their venue already built that far away. Nissan Stadium and the Superspeedway are a bit comparable admittedly because both are only ~20 years old while reportedly needing extensive renovations, but the Titans are building the new stadium virtually on-site where the infrastructure already exists, why shouldn't NASCAR do the same? Additionally, nearly every other speedway on the NASCAR circuit is at least that far away (if not much further) from dense population centers because they are incredibly disruptive events. They can provide promises about mufflers and sound walls all day, but there is no way to make large stock car races that are not going to be disruptive to the neighboring residents. That noise and vibration is also one of the bigger appeals of attending races from what I've heard, so if this is truly as effective as they promise, why are people going to want to go to these races at all? I am just so incredibly skeptical about any of the sound mitigation promises, especially when considering that this track is pretty much a completely unprecedented concept within the sport.

That's a lot different than the initial monochrome black exterior they shared for this one, thanks for passing it along! The rounded edges on this one are super nice, really elevates the design.

I'm no expert here, but it's only around ~24 stories above the parking pedestal based on my count, so that figure could be based on that. I will say that Alcove turned out impressively similar to its rendering, so I believe that this one will be the same and have at least one more set of floors to complete the syncopated boxes effect.

Is there any reason that a large amount of public green spaces are being emphasized for the large tower developments in this area? Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, I just notice that this project, the Park Place development, and the Cumulus Radio site project all feature more or less the same basic layout with large areas of green space surrounding taller skyscrapers. There's not some kind of design overlay dictating that is there?

In fairness to that event, there has been torrential rain and flooding all throughout Chicago for the past few days. I still don't think that the attendance for this would have been great in perfect weather, but those factors certainly had an affect. When strictly comparing the highlights of that race to the average NASCAR Superspeedway race, the street race looked infinitely more exciting. That said, my personal opinion of NASCAR simply being a bad product shouldn't matter. I just don't see a racetrack located in a dense, growing urban neighborhood as a good idea and any comparisons to draw on for it are pretty much non existent for a reason. There is some history with the track that predates many of the neighbors now, I get it, but frankly nothing too noteworthy. It was also allowed to virtually decay over the past few decades and any historic charm that could have been preserved is long gone. In my opinion, I think that the best course of action would be to just demolish it and reconfigure the property for further development, an alternative event venue, greenspace, a WeGo transit hub, etc. You name it, I think there are probably 20 better uses for that property than a NASCAR track. Then, if NASCAR truly wants to increase their presence in Nashville, devote these resources to improving the Wilson County Superspeedway or even host a street race here like they just did in Chicago, I think that could be a lot of fun. I just think that investing in NASCAR (a sport that is dying by most measurables) over amenities for the residents of one of Nashville's fastest growing new neighborhoods would be a mistake.

Here's some new aerial footage of Downtown courtesy of the NHL!

The delays and/or failures of those projects have absolutely nothing to do with the homeless down there, there are literally multiple apartment towers nearing completion just a block or two away from the Mission, along with several more on the way. Homelessness is a complicated issue (much more complicated than you're making it seem) and I really don't think it's fair to dehumanize these people that have been failed by our society in many ways. Yes, nobody should fear being harassed when walking around the city, but simply demolishing the Mission and moving it elsewhere will not magically solve that problem.

I totally agree, it really seems like a false promise that they're putting at the front of the deal to get it passed. The idea that retaining walls will be all it takes to make these races not disruptive just seems impossible. In theory if this were passed and allowed to come to fruition, it's not like there will be any way to hold them accountable to their claims of sound reduction. The reality is that NASCAR is desperately trying to rebrand itself right now for new generations of fans, and they see the historic track and its unique location within the city as a potential new way to freshen up their model among a population that is rapidly turning toward F1. That said, there are obvious reasons that none of these Speedways are located near people anymore. NASCAR races are some of the loudest events in the world, and asking locals to overlook that multiple times a year for the sake of the nostalgia of some (the vast majority of who will never have to deal with the consequences of living next to the track) is a bit ridiculous in my opinion. It's understandable that they want a piece of that Nashville Sports event excitement, but I'm seriously skeptical this is the best way to get that.

I've been really impressed with this building due to how quickly it has gone up as well as the design finishes turning out better than I expected them to be. It has a sort of mid century flair and sticks out in a cool away amongst its surroundings.

It's honestly not really a shock that there are likely plans to add a Sportsbook at the stadium when you look around within the industry. Pretty much every new venue will be adding them and many already established venues are already beginning to look into how to incorporate them into their space. Sports gambling is already a massive money maker and a Sportsbook will be a big incentive to attending games in person.

Demolition has now begun on this building. The neighborhood is just covered in construction now, will be one of the most exciting areas in Nashville before long.

I would still love to have a store, I feel much more comfortable seeing certain furniture items in person rather than putting all of my trust in online images. I have also shopped at the Memphis store and while it is nice, it's just a little bit far for a day trip when you consider the maze-like store layout. Outside of those personal reasons, I also just think that the Nashville market would support it better.

I can appreciate the sentiment of what that guy is doing but I just don't think it would be as functional as what the team has proposed. It really reminds me of something from the 60's with the big sweeping plazas and big arches surrounding the field. It looks nice, but it will suffer from the same issues as the current stadium (wasteland outside of gamedays, no mixed use or integration into East Nashville) and who's to say how this will age aesthetically in the future? Again, it's a grand vision that's fun to look at, but the proposed design takes a drastically different design philosophy that I think is way better for the city's urban fabric.

You joke but a lot of disgruntled locals may take you up on keeping the gravel lot...

The brickwork will elevate this one so much, you can tell with the small details like the archways on the first floor and the subtle framing around the edges. It will be a very timeless building that somehow just feels like it belongs in the neighborhood.

Every proposal isn't gonna be huge, infill exists in every urban center. The good news is that with more of these projects going up, developers will be forced to increase height eventually. That can already be observed with how many more 500 footers are under construction/currently proposed in the city in comparison to even 5 years ago.

I seem to remember there being at least a vague vision for a taller tower to be built on that lot one day, I believe it came up after we were all so underwhelmed with the scale of the initial Peabody Plaza proposal.

Our state government is pathetic, and has even gained some national media attention recently due to just how many of our state laws are written to supercede the will of local laws. Combine this with our ridiculous new district that allows for our local representative being Andy Ogles (of Maury County), and there is a clear agenda to marginalize the state's biggest economic engine and its residents.

The fascinating thing about this project for me personally is that I drive by it nearly every morning and night and yet I have literally never seen one person working on it. There is slow progress that is visible on the exterior now but I have never seen anybody actually working on the building or even hanging out on the site. It's like their contractor was the tooth fairy or something, it baffles me.