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PROPOSED: Harrah's/Narragansett Casino

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These commercials are so annoying me. They make it sound like everyone else is against jobs and blah, blah, blah. But they manage to leave out all the very MAJOR, minor details. I am just so against this project. I was at the last WaterFire and they had a tent for the casino, giving away free food on the buffet and free booze AND jeez you should have seen the people in there, wow, like crawled out from under a rock. The way they are marketing this is SOO wrong. Anyone with half a brain realizes the negatives of this project. I just hope that the people with less than half a brain don't vote yes because they got free booze. You can't compare this to Foxwoods or Mohegan Sun. Just because this is bringing jobs are they good jobs? No. Well, maybe 5 of them are, but the rest are average or below average. I also love how the commercial make it look like Harrah's is going to get everything they need around here such as paper goods and seafood. Please.. they will outsource everything out of the state to save money.

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These commercials are so annoying me. They make it sound like everyone else is against jobs and blah, blah, blah. But they manage to leave out all the very MAJOR, minor details. I am just so against this project. I was at the last WaterFire and they had a tent for the casino, giving away free food on the buffet and free booze AND jeez you should have seen the people in there, wow, like crawled out from under a rock. The way they are marketing this is SOO wrong. Anyone with half a brain realizes the negatives of this project. I just hope that the people with less than half a brain don't vote yes because they got free booze. You can't compare this to Foxwoods or Mohegan Sun. Just because this is bringing jobs are they good jobs? No. Well, maybe 5 of them are, but the rest are average or below average. I also love how the commercial make it look like Harrah's is going to get everything they need around here such as paper goods and seafood. Please.. they will outsource everything out of the state to save money.
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These commercials are so annoying me. They make it sound like everyone else is against jobs and blah, blah, blah. But they manage to leave out all the very MAJOR, minor details. I am just so against this project. I was at the last WaterFire and they had a tent for the casino, giving away free food on the buffet and free booze AND jeez you should have seen the people in there, wow, like crawled out from under a rock. The way they are marketing this is SOO wrong. Anyone with half a brain realizes the negatives of this project. I just hope that the people with less than half a brain don't vote yes because they got free booze. You can't compare this to Foxwoods or Mohegan Sun. Just because this is bringing jobs are they good jobs? No. Well, maybe 5 of them are, but the rest are average or below average. I also love how the commercial make it look like Harrah's is going to get everything they need around here such as paper goods and seafood. Please.. they will outsource everything out of the state to save money.
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i'd bet that some of the dealers make way more money than you...

do you want them to pay money for ads that are AGAINST their cause? you cant have it both ways

i dont care either way if it gets built because im not a gambler, maybe an office pool or two, but a lot of RI-er's are and they spend a lot [not thousands, but multi-millions] at the CT casinos and this would be the lesser of two evils. there is no argument against that. the argument is against that of gambling. you have your opinion and the gamblers have theirs. if they want to gamble in RI and keep money in-state rather than in CT, why do you care?

if you had insight into the actual casino business you would realize that their clients are specific to them. the people that are driving down to foxwoods are not necessarily the ones who go to restaurants in providence. why would they start now? atleast it would bring outsiders in who probably would never come here otherwise.

if you are really against this, then you should just not spend your money there. business is business. one way or another, gambling has become a huge party of american culture the past few years and especially amongst youth. you are completely silly to think that this is a fad and the trend will not eventually come to fruition on a large scale in RI. you are fighting upstream my friend...

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i'd bet that some of the dealers make way more money than you...

do you want them to pay money for ads that are AGAINST their cause? you cant have it both ways

i dont care either way if it gets built because im not a gambler, maybe an office pool or two, but a lot of RI-er's are and they spend a lot [not thousands, but multi-millions] at the CT casinos and this would be the lesser of two evils. there is no argument against that. the argument is against that of gambling. you have your opinion and the gamblers have theirs. if they want to gamble in RI and keep money in-state rather than in CT, why do you care?

if you had insight into the actual casino business you would realize that their clients are specific to them. the people that are driving down to foxwoods are not necessarily the ones who go to restaurants in providence. why would they start now? atleast it would bring outsiders in who probably would never come here otherwise.

if you are really against this, then you should just not spend your money there. business is business. one way or another, gambling has become a huge party of american culture the past few years and especially amongst youth. you are completely silly to think that this is a fad and the trend will not eventually come to fruition on a large scale in RI. you are fighting upstream my friend...

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a casino will most likely be built in RI, but we don't have to settle for this. it'd be better in providence and it does not belong in the constitution, especially with the way the current amendment is written.

this casino, while it might be good for the state, would be damaging to providence because it would compete directly with providence restaurants, hotels, the convention center, the dunk, ppac, and a lot of the music and dance clubs.

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i'd bet that some of the dealers make way more money than you...

do you want them to pay money for ads that are AGAINST their cause? you cant have it both ways

i dont care either way if it gets built because im not a gambler, maybe an office pool or two, but a lot of RI-er's are and they spend a lot [not thousands, but multi-millions] at the CT casinos and this would be the lesser of two evils. there is no argument against that. the argument is against that of gambling. you have your opinion and the gamblers have theirs. if they want to gamble in RI and keep money in-state rather than in CT, why do you care?

if you had insight into the actual casino business you would realize that their clients are specific to them. the people that are driving down to foxwoods are not necessarily the ones who go to restaurants in providence. why would they start now? atleast it would bring outsiders in who probably would never come here otherwise.

if you are really against this, then you should just not spend your money there. business is business. one way or another, gambling has become a huge party of american culture the past few years and especially amongst youth. you are completely silly to think that this is a fad and the trend will not eventually come to fruition on a large scale in RI. you are fighting upstream my friend...

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brick Burg

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The state has already sold out against takinga stand on gambling with Newport and Lincoln. Saying that all of the objectors are merely standing on moral ground is a pretty-looking argument, but also patently false.

I'm against the deal that is prosposed. The RI casino will not only take away from PVD, it will take away from Lincoln and Newport who have deals in place already that are more beneficial to the state than the proposed Harrahgansett deal. If the Harrahgansett's were willing to pay the same % to the state then I would be less unhappy with this deal.

Change the deal, make it so it can happen without a change to the constitution and they pay more to the state to make up for the resource drain they will create.

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The state has already sold out against takinga stand on gambling with Newport and Lincoln. Saying that all of the objectors are merely standing on moral ground is a pretty-looking argument, but also patently false.

I'm against the deal that is prosposed. The RI casino will not only take away from PVD, it will take away from Lincoln and Newport who have deals in place already that are more beneficial to the state than the proposed Harrahgansett deal. If the Harrahgansett's were willing to pay the same % to the state then I would be less unhappy with this deal.

Change the deal, make it so it can happen without a change to the constitution and they pay more to the state to make up for the resource drain they will create.

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brick Burg

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The studies have shown that the harrahgansett casino could help or it could hurt. Since everyone is operating under assumed demand, the numbers can be messaged to say almost anything.

My personal take is that it will hurt more than it helps because of many factors, not the least of which is that I think their projections are for crap and that they aren't going to see the type of numbers they claim, and that most of their business is going to be taken directly from Newport and Lincoln. I think they will take visitors from Providence and Newport. Frankly, what I'm saying is that I'm not sure the demand is really there. Foxwoods built itself on Atlantic City screwing the pooch and letting itself become a craphole. I don't think that kind of hole exists anymore. I'd love to be proven wrong in that the casino benefits everyone, but I just don't buy it.

FTR, I frequently go to Foxwoods, AC, and Vegas. So I have no moral opposition to a casino. And I'm not being a NIMBY, either. Hell if there were a brick and mortar poker room that I could go to without driving an hour I'd be pretty happy. I just don't think the deal they have put together honestly addresses the economics.

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Dan Hamlet

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The casinos are inward facing entities. When you are inside you have no idea what town your in.

... There are no great restaurants on the street in A.C. Everything is inside the casino.

... If you think West Warwick is in tough shape now, wait.

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This is exactly why I think it works. The WWIP, a suburban corporate office complex next to 95, is pretty dead after 5:00pm and on the weekends. The only entertainment destination in the area would be the proposed casino. I don't think people who want to go gamble after work, be it at Foxwoods Lincoln or West Warwick, are going to detract from business at theatres, live music venues, and restaurants since they cater to people who'd rather enjoy a show and/or dinner and a drink than drive to a casino and gamble.

It may be true that a casino may be bad for an established destination-type place. I believe a lot of what went wrong for Atlantic City was taken into account when the plans for West Warwick included a new dedicated access ramp from 95 which would be the only point of entry to the property. Its basically an island where people from RI, MA, NH, CT can drive in to gamble, and then drive back out when its time to leave. Its not the strip, its not the Shore.

The Convention Center and dining options in Providence are 25 minutes away, I'd bet Route 2's commercial strip won't even be significantly affected. Those who enjoy chain theme commercial restaurant chow will continue to utilize Bald Hill joints.

The Town of West Warwick and its urban mill villages only stand to prosper. They've been patiently waiting for the town to land the "big fish" tenant for the Industrial Park ever since Cox was Dimension. West Warwick is at rock bottom. The property taxes have been soaring for years while city services have fallen off, the town's roads are by far the most poorly-maintained in the state, and the local leadership has struggled to effectively promote business investment. Hey, if it wasn't for SBE&R... :shades:

I wonder if anybody ever studied the effect Foxwoods Resort and Mohegan Sun had on the Mystic/SE-CT tourism industry. The Norwich AA baseball team relocated to the area after the casino was built, the Seaport area is home to many successful hospitality-related businesses, and the Aquarium (I've heard) just finished up a big renovation recently.

Think about it.

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