Arctic_Tern

The Tide stop right there is called the "EVMC/Fort Norfolk" stop. So I'd say that it's called "Fort Norfolk". There's also a difference between calling an area a "midtown" and something name being "Midtown". Norfolk is designating an area bordered by Church, Monticello, and 25th as "Midtown" so I would wager that that area's name will be "Midtown"

The area is currently known as Fort Norfolk (as shown here https://www.norfolk.gov/DocumentCenter/View/1632/Downtown_Norfolk_2030?bidId= ), what I'm saying is 'why change that name?'

Home Games vs: Virginia Tech - 2022, 2024, 2027, 2029, 2031 Virginia - 2028 Wake Forest - 2023 ECU - 2024, 2027, 2030 Liberty - 2025 Army - 2030, 2033 JMU - 2022, 2024, 2026, 2028, 2030, 2032, etc App State - 2023, 2025, 2027, 2029, 2031, 2033, etc I think ODU's gonna have teams folks wanna go so see for some time to come. I think a 30K stadium is a no brainer, but y'all can hate for no reason if you want.

What if we called it "Fort Norfolk"? It's a somewhat unique name and given the location of a nearby fort makes sense, imo.

An entertainment option could be good too. Isn't the flashy hub they advertised but I think it'll be decent at least for the neighborhood and surrounding area

I'm not sure why y'all are surprised, the layout they showed before was very suburban. Not really a ton of density outside of a few apartment complexes. I am pretty certain the new SPQ will have less density than what is pictured above

ODU hosts Virginia Tech four more times through 2031 (something that can not happen if we were still in FCS), and we're now in a conference with App State and JMU. The only mistakes were heading to C-USA instead of the Sun Belt, and keeping Wilder for as long as we did. As an actual ODU fan I'm very happy we made the move cause if we didn't we'd be left behind by all of our athletic peers.

I find that folks from Richmond can have an inflated sense of ego, I wouldn't pay much mind to them. ORF is a great airport and is making major improvements seeing how we both got money from the federal government for facilities improvements.

Well, we've got *some* movement here at least: https://www.facebook.com/EastCoastDemo/posts/pfbid0JMZtoPeP6JTA4WYWgnByy5q7BW9HoJ16tTm37W352Ze5ik5WyE5xBs5KDJBWr9cLl

Chrysler Museum's 2018 Master Plan. Seems to incorporate acquiring that and the Red Cross sites for use in future expansion. https://wparch.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/ChryslerMOA_2018CampusMasterPlan-Rev2-Web.pdf

“Council has a preference towards what Wellness Circle is proposing. What we have to do now is figure out if we can make this financially feasible,” Filer said. “It’s very possible that, by the time we’re done doing our due diligence, council may say, ‘you know what, we aren’t going get there on an arena.’” Boom. I like to think that Council read my comment and that helped grease the wheels.

I don't even need the arena, but Bruces concept of an Office Park+ is just awful. I'd rather them go with one of the other two proposals and just lop off the arena if it is what's driving up costs.

I think the HPN line is down to one a week. I had tickets for flights on July 2, then July 1 and both were cancelled on me. Unfortunate as I was looking forward to trying out Breeze for the first time

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Yea, so lets just start with the watered down idea, then we can just be pre-disappointed! I'm sorry but Bruce Thompson's idea is just not good and not what the city was looking for.

Anyone worried about Richmond scooping Norfolk in the casino department won't have to worry for a few years. They can't even have another referendum on it until 2023. https://www.virginiamercury.com/2022/06/01/after-months-of-wrangling-virginia-has-a-budget-deal-whats-in-it/

It comes down to who owns the malls and good management. Greenbrier and MacArthur are owned by CBL Properties (maybe CBRE after foreclosure?) and Spinoso respectively, while Lynnhaven is owned by Brookfield Properties (formerly known as GGP). CBL and Starwood are pretty low on the commercial real estate totem pole, while Brookfield has some of the best malls in the world.. They simply have better resources and talent than the firms managing MacArthur and Greenbrier.

I for one am glad that Cordish isn't building the Casino. From everything I've seen and heard irt the Waterside development they're a prima donna of a company, and we don't need more of their drama trying in our City. I would be flabbergasted if the Portsmouth Casino turns out as nice as the Norfolk one. If Portsmouth's casino ever fails and is turned into a Walmart I don't think anyone would notice the difference.

Oh I'd be on there like shareware. Cheap flight out to SLC, rent a car and spend a week driving around national parks/monuments. Utah is a beautiful state.

I think that's becoming apartments too? Wouldn't be surprised to see the exterior get a bit of a facelift if that's the case.

Yeah that building is beautiful. Honestly with its location something like a civic center or a library would be a perfect use for it if they decide to not use it as a school anymore.

I mean, I'm not saying we need to completely outlaw cars or that these changes would even be possible in an accelerated short time period. But things like parking maximums or excess parking acreage fees are a really good way to ensure that land is used in the most valuable way instead of being eaten by parking. And being able to maximize land usage is an incredibly important priority for a city that is proverbially landlocked and does not have access to county taxes like other cities. There are means to solve parking by means that do and don't use a car, but there's very few ways for Norfolk to get taxes out of a large surface parking lot. I would also say people use cars because they are the most convenient option, because we build infrastructure that makes them the most convenient option. If you make other forms of transportation as or more convenient, people will use those. There is nothing inherently better about one transportation system over the other in a vacuum, and you need to build infrastructure in a way that benefits your city. I just don't think Norfolk has anything to gain by increasing car infrastructure, and has a ton to gain by increasing other infrastructure

Norfolk's border's are set, and they aren't going to move for at least 100 years. We can not look towards land expansion as our means of growing our economy. Looking outward for help from Chesapeake or Virginia Beach is a fools errand as well. They do not care if Norfolk or the area grows, they have what they want. Helping Norfolk could change the power structure of the area and they don't want that. Norfolk needs to plan with the mind that only Norfolk will help itself. Amsterdam has a population of over 900,000 people, within an area of 64 square miles. It is an international hub and can more than throw its weight around. It doesn't do all that with tall skyscrapers, but with amazing planning with a dense and walkable mindset. If Norfolk wants to grow, they need to adopt the Amsterdam mindset. No more suburban neighborhoods, or gigantic surface parking lots, but dense, walkable and attractive housing. It needs to find ways to integrate dense low-to-midrise planning into every corner of the city to maximize its potential. They need to remove parking minimums, enact parking maximums, require businesses to implement pedestrian and bicycle infrastructure, and work on ways to open up the city to all forms of transportation. They need to revise their housing requirements to make it economic and easy for people to build "missing middle" multifamily housing. There's a lot that they can do to make Norfolk an attractive place to live, but they actually have to start doing it.

I don't know how anyone can look at those gigantic parking lots and think that's a good usage of space. Norfolk likes to talk a big game when it comes to walkability, but when given a blank slate to build whatever they want, they come up with an incredibly lackluster urban design.

Oh believe you me, we all agree. Look up the Granby Towers project to see what could have been.