Ingleside Tract project

[gman430]

Mindboggling is the only word I have to describe this proposed project: http://www.charleston.net/news/2008/nov/11...ive_scale61189/ It's 1,500 acres in size. Proposed by Weiser Cos. and Weber USA. Three times the size of Centre Pointe complex. The basic plans call for a 300-acre complex that blends big-box retail stores, office space, hotels, restaurants and maybe a supermarket and a movie theater.

[GamecockEngineer]

Mindboggling is the only word I have to describe this proposed project: http://www.charleston.net/news/2008/nov/11...ive_scale61189/ It's 1,500 acres in size. Proposed by Weiser Cos. and Weber USA. Three times the size of Centre Pointe complex. The basic plans call for a 300-acre complex that blends big-box retail stores, office space, hotels, restaurants and maybe a supermarket and a movie theater.

The "Press Conference" just ended. I was not there, but from what I hear, it smells like a fish. They used all of the popular buzz words for todays development (Green, Smart, Rapid Transit, High Density, Mixed Used, Sustainable, etc.), but it does not seem like the plan has been well... planned.

I will hold judgement until I learn more about the development. It sounds like design consulatants have been highered, I'm not sure what they've done.

[gman430]

The "Press Conference" just ended. I was not there, but from what I hear, it smells like a fish. They used all of the popular buzz words for todays development (Green, Smart, Rapid Transit, High Density, Mixed Used, Sustainable, etc.), but it does not seem like the plan has been well... planned.

I will hold judgement until I learn more about the development. It sounds like design consulatants have been highered, I'm not sure what they've done.

I agree. I don't see anything of this scale getting built in this economy. Retailers/restaurants aren't expanding right now. If they are, they're doing it very slowly. There was a proposed project in Greenville called the Point which was going to be 4.5 million square feet and cost $600 million. You can guess what happened to it. Then you have Killians Crossing in Columbia which did the same thing.

[Spartan]

The other side of the argument is that by the time any construction actually happens, the economy will probably be moving in a positive direction.

This is an insane development scale though. I am not confident in North Charleston's ability to make this into a quality development that is more than standard sprawl. The fact that it has big box stores makes me skeptical.

[MikesLogic]

North Charleston has been shopping around for this piece of land for quite a while now. I don't trust N. Charleston when it comes to urban development but I really like this plan.

Ingleside Plantation Development

""Plans include more than 3.6 million square feet of office, retail and residential space, some of which will be built as a new city center with higher density than downtown Charleston, officials said.

Developers said they are looking past the troubled economy and positioning themselves for better times. In fact, the plans are so forward-looking, they include a hub for rail transit

[Spartan]

Ok, I'm not impressed at all. I want to see a more detailed site plan. These conceptual plans don't mean much. The only redeeming feature that I see is that they are preserving the wetlands.

Thanks for posting that though. Great sleuthing.

[MikesLogic]

Oh I agree, though this is very preliminary planning. It's wide open on what they are going to be putting in there. I was just glad to hear it isn't going to be more cookie cutter neighborhoods.

[GamecockEngineer]

I don't like the Mayor's Son having such a big role on the development team. It seems like a conflict of interest and a way to get questionable design & construction standards through the development review process. I hope that pressure can be applied to the developers in order to make this a "progressive" development. (although in the current economic conditions, it may be hard).

Also, the mayor's quote regarding Cabela's backing away from the project because they couldn't get a tax deal bothers me.

"The governor will be gone in two years," Summey said. "I might come up with a Cabela's after all."

[Spartan]

So we'll give a tax break to Bass Pro but not Cabela's? Thats just crap. At the very least we should be consistent with regards to whom we are providing tax breaks.

[krazeeboi]

I hope this turns out more like Atlantic Station and less like Village at Sandhill in Columbia. But I won't hold my breath.

[ohioaninSC]

Has North Charleston even gotten the Noisette project up and running yet? What makes them think this can get going too? What I don't get about the whole area is they always seem to put out these grandiose project ideas, & don't seem to get any of them accomplished? How long have they been talking about Noisette or Magnolia? I haven't seen anything happen with those 2 big projects, and now this huge one in sprawlburbia gets announced? What would something like this do to the traffic on I-26 if it even gets built?

[MikesLogic]

Actually Noisette and Magnolia both are coming along good. The Magnolia project has seen tons of old warehouses being torn out and leveled, the road network is being prepped still. Noisette has quite a few companies filling in the old warehouses on the old Navy Yard along with tearing down surrounding dilapidated buildings.

One thing to note about those two projects is they were aiming for the long haul. Both of them were projecting developments out to 2012 and beyond. They were both basically old brownfield type areas with huge abandonment issues.

[Spartan]

Has North Charleston even gotten the Noisette project up and running yet? What makes them think this can get going too? What I don't get about the whole area is they always seem to put out these grandiose project ideas, & don't seem to get any of them accomplished? How long have they been talking about Noisette or Magnolia? I haven't seen anything happen with those 2 big projects, and now this huge one in sprawlburbia gets announced? What would something like this do to the traffic on I-26 if it even gets built?

Lets not forget that its not the city government thats doing these things. Its all private development.

It will only make traffic worse on 26. Thats why its important to set up a grid of connected streets so that the traffic impacts to the local streets are not overwhelmed with traffic.

[Desert Power]

Isn't most everything this would contain just located essentially across the street?

[Spartan]

Not really. The outer parts of Charleston are not known for high density sprawl. I hope that this will be fundamentally different than the crap that's on Rivers Ave and Ashley Phosphate.

[Desert Power]

Not really. The outer parts of Charleston are not known for high density sprawl. I hope that this will be fundamentally different than the crap that's on Rivers Ave and Ashley Phosphate.

Yet to do that is will have to duplicate the stores there.

[Spartan]

Its possible that they are counting on being able to relocate the existing stores to new facilities in this place.

[Desert Power]

Its possible that they are counting on being able to relocate the existing stores to new facilities in this place.

Well that will canabalize even more of the Rivers avenue corridor, which is a horrible idea regradless of what you think about how the area is designed.

[ZUMAN]

Here's an update on this project from CharlestonWatch's website:

http://charlestonwatch.com/2011/12/county_council_december_6.html#more

Charleston County Council has approved North Charleston's $120 million tax increment financial district (TIF) request for the Ingleside development which is being reported as a 2,090 acre site to entail 6 million sq ft commerical; 3 million sq ft retail; and 3.5 million sq ft industrial.

[erm1981]

Maybe my eyes deceive me but Ive seen some activity over there recently in the past few months.

[Amapper]

Currently there is some major road work going on in that area. The completion of the Palmetto Parkway, from Ladson Rd to Ashley Phosphate Rd, and another one from Highway 78 over to the Palmetto Parkway. The Palmetto Commerce Park runs along these roads and seems to butt up against or be partly in the Ingleside plot. The Charleston area economy is doing fairly well over all but I'm not sure such a large project would fly yet.

[2Charlestons]

There actually seems to be head way on this project, at least residentially speaking, and a lot of road work .

[erm1981]

I need to get over that way.  There is a lot of different projects getting built / accomplished in the Charleston MSA at the moment.  

[RestedTraveler]

A few articles about one of the big box retailers...clearing of the property has already commenced...construction of the new Exit 207 is going to make the commute down to DI fun for a year or so, too.

 

• http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20131220/PC05/131229959
• http://www.abcnews4.com/story/24272907/bass-pro-shops-moving-into-north-charleston
• http://www.live5news.com/story/24272970/bass-pro-shops-to-build-n-charleston-store
• http://www.moultrienews.com/article/20131220/MN02/131229968/1003/bass-pro-shops-to-open-new-outdoor-world-store-in-north-charleston

[RestedTraveler]

Another recent article:

• http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20131124/PC05/131129864