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Where to get good views of downtown?

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I know there's an excellent view atop the Amway... but do I have to be in a suit & tie to get up there?

While walking around yesterday I just went to the top of a few parking garages to get views.. is there any other places I can go?

One of my favorites is riding back from Kent Trails past the water plant and the salvage yard. Undevelop forest, industrial processes, and suddenly I'm back DT.

You could also go out to Sullivan Field and climb the hill, get above the residential that is right there.

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