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In that regard, the Church Street site is similar to the McCormick Place area in Chicago, which is near downtown but is otherwise cut off from surrounding areas by interstate ramps, railroads, dead-end streets, etc. That site in Chicago is actually pretty cut off from hotels (other than the McCormick Place Hyatt) and I would definitely not set out from there on foot going anywhere. But the city manages to get conventioneers to/from their hotels, restaurants, bars, sporting and cultural events safely and efficiently so that the attendees enjoy the city, spend lots of money, and leave with a good impression.

I've stayed at McCormick Place, and I can attest to the fact that it is way too far away from the "action" downtown to walk to (unless you want to make your way on foot through the no-mans' land in between). You either have to take a cab or your car, and I'd hope we wouldn't duplicate something similar here in Nashville being that far removed.

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In regards to TIF my characterization was off the mark you are correct that there is no direct payback of funds redirected during the TIF period. But I disagree that I am not a shareholder. As d'town Nashville prospers with a properly managed development plan then I do reap the financial rewards as my unit has appreciated enormously as demand to live close-in outstrips supply. Bu there is also quality of life issue issues that I hesitate to detail as I believe it would be like throwing a bone to a dog. :)

My limited knowledge of TIF leads me to believe that it is but a tool to direct investment in an otherwise blighted area, or to ensure affordable housing. As the area development becomes established then the incentives are phased out and future developments are more true to the market. I do not know this to be a fact but I have not heard of any TIF incentives for the multi-million dollar condo projects on West End outside of I-440.

In my estimation the government rightly plays a major role in redeveloping large depressed areas. They do this through incentives (TIF, tax credits, redevelopment districts, zoning, and infrastructure) and by directing large capital projects in the area (GEC, Coliseum, Police precincts, schools, hardscaping

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I'm just speculating that the design center will reject a sobro location for the CC. I think the east bank makes the most sense, attached to the pedestrian bridge. Placing it there [or possibly anywhere it ends up] would likely spawn a flurry surrounding retail. So I guess my preference would be the east bank. I could see it in the gulch too, tho. Especially if it is attached in some way to the 'music mile.' Sulphur Dell also crossed my mind, but I think Germantown residents would have a fit about that. I dont think it's a good place for it anyway. East bank, anyone?

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My limited knowledge of TIF leads me to believe that it is but a tool to direct investment in an otherwise blighted area, or to ensure affordable housing. As the area development becomes established then the incentives are phased out and future developments are more true to the market. I do not know this to be a fact but I have not heard of any TIF incentives for the multi-million dollar condo projects on West End outside of I-440.

In my estimation the government rightly plays a major role in redeveloping large depressed areas. They do this through incentives (TIF, tax credits, redevelopment districts, zoning, and infrastructure) and by directing large capital projects in the area (GEC, Coliseum, Police precincts, schools, hardscaping

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But I'm talking about just within davidson count - if moving out of county is not an option, then yes - your money is taken at gunpoint. :thumbsup:

Some things are worth making a crime. Murder, Rape, Theft, all these are actual crimes that require police intervention for the good of society. But, are we so desperate to see skyscrapers rising downtown that we are willing to issue the "pay-up, move-out, or get-shot" ultimatum to the citizens of nashville??? I'm not that desperate to see downtown grow, especially if the execution of that plan results in overall economic waste, as I have pointed out above.

Having spent a fair amount of time in countries where things are literally taken by the government at gunpoint, it exasperates me to read this type of hyperbole. Part of being a member of a representative democracy is the fact that you are not always going to agree with society's decisions on how to use its resources. That's why you get to vote.

That said, I have plenty of policy problems with the TIF concept and the use of Nashville's resources (meaning those resources collected from its residents, businesses, and visitors) new convention center in Nashville.

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Having spent a fair amount of time in countries where things are literally taken by the government at gunpoint, it exasperates me to read this type of hyperbole. Part of being a member of a representative democracy is the fact that you are not always going to agree with society's decisions on how to use its resources. That's why you get to vote.

That said, I have plenty of policy problems with the TIF concept and the use of Nashville's resources (meaning those resources collected from its residents, businesses, and visitors) new convention center in Nashville.

Well, of course I would agree with you that the US is one of the best countries in the world, but I think you may be the victim of a little propaganda there Cliff. The government is constantly trying to sell "Democracy" as the ideal, but really, Freedom is the ideal. Just because an oppressive system of socialism and government directed investment has come into being as a result of democratic processes does not change the two facts that said system is 1) economically wasteful and 2) morally wrong. Democracy is only useful insofar as it results in a free and just society. It is of little importance to me how this downtown subsidy scheme came into being - I am only concerned with pointing out it's destructive effects.

But you also have to admit, once a decision is reached by democratic concesnsus, it is enforced upon the minority through the threat of or use of force.

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Well, of course I would agree with you that the US is one of the best countries in the world, but I think you may be the victim of a little propaganda there Cliff. The government is constantly trying to sell "Democracy" as the ideal, but really, Freedom is the ideal. Just because an oppressive system of socialism and government directed investment has come into being as a result of democratic processes does not change the two facts that said system is 1) economically wasteful and 2) morally wrong. Democracy is only useful insofar as it results in a free and just society. It is of little importance to me how this downtown subsidy scheme came into being - I am only concerned with pointing out it's destructive effects.

But you also have to admit, once a decision is reached by democratic concesnsus, it is enforced upon the minority through the threat of or use of force.

A quick rebut, and then perhaps this should continue as PMs; I don't want to misdirect the forum from its goal.

Actually, maximized freedom is the ideal; no person can be perfectly free. As my perfect freedom would by its nature limit your perfect freedom, we compromise, that compromise taking the form of our representative democracy. Likewise, no market can be perfectly private. The dream of a pure market economy is nearly as much hogwash as the other utopian schemes that lay discarded on the trash heap of history.

Again, as someone who has spent time on both sides of the working end of a gun, I am amused at your references to the government forcing its will at gunpoint. Ultimately, the nation state does possess the authority of force, but in a civil society coercion, when needed, rarely requires a gun.

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Knoxville's CC is nice and new but the floorplan is small only approx. 120K/sq ft of contiguous floor exhibition space and it is not column free. There is no HQ hotel and it is somewhat seperated from d'town knoxville located between d'town and the UT campus.

Knoxville CC

The proposed Nashville CC would have 400,000/sg ft of contiguous floor exhibition space.

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There is an article in the Charlotte Business Journal from last week that their Fed. Courthouse is moving forward. This confirms that the moratorium has been lifted. Interesting that Tuck Hinton out of Nashville is handling the design work.

http://charlotte.bizjournals.com/charlotte...22/daily25.html

Do you know if a rendering of Charlotte's FC is available?

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I'm sorry. I just don't get it. Looks forced and out of place.

I don't think it's too bad, but I think it's also a moot point. If the old CC is ceded to the Renaissance, as Doormanpoet has pointed out, another hotel tower, presumably of similar height, will be constructed atop the old CC.

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I don't think it's too bad, but I think it's also a moot point. If the old CC is ceded to the Renaissance, as Doormanpoet has pointed out, another hotel tower, presumably of similar height, will be constructed atop the old CC.

Surely whatever is built there would be more respectful to the Ryman than the current tragedy. At least a glass-walled lobby that offers a killer view across the street from the inside.

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Surely whatever is built there would be more respectful to the Ryman than the current tragedy. At least a glass-walled lobby that offers a killer view across the street from the inside.

I don't know. The problem still remains that the way the CC was built, it is a foot-traffic killer on that side of 5th Avenue and Broadway (despite the addition), almost as bad as the south end of TPAC's forlorn location fronting on the north side of Union between 5th and 6th. Short of levelling the CC to street level and rebuilding human-sized structures for shops, bars and restaurants similar to what's below 5th, I'm not sure anything will prove particularly respectful to the Ryman. :(

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