Muggsy01

Charlotte really does have the best skyline in the South. I know many will say Atlanta or Houston are better but ATL is too spread out & Houston’s buildings are too bland. Mostly 80s boxes (though improving). Charlotte really is king, or Queen, rather. Just imagine when Duke 2 is built.

Forget the convention, how about people be allowed to open businesses and go back to school?!?! Totally fine with protesters making the choice that protesting is worth the risk of COVID. But we should all have the right to make those choices regarding risks when it comes to commerce, education, just living life. Not to mention, the lockdowns absolutely have a role in this unrest.

Really a shame the Red Line to North Meck suburbs died. Though I realize that's not the city or county's fault. In an ideal world, there'd be commuter trains to Mooresville, Gastonia, Concord/Kannapolis and down to Rock Hill. Coming from the NYC area my only complaint about Charlotte is the lack of commuter transport, but that's a very small complaint compared to the immeasurable ways the Charlotte area is better than the NYC area. Also, to be fair, the commuter rail in NJ was a total disaster, overcrowded, understaffed and constantly broken. Still, commuter rail spidering out to those major suburbs and ending all at Gateway would be great as long as they can do it without putting people out of their homes to build it.

If Charlotte gets an MLB team, gotta keep the Knights name. Sharpest uni’s in the minors, better than many MLB teams. Plus the name is badass & works with the city

Charlotte Town FC is by far my favorite possibility. Real Charlotte would be as absurd as Real Salt Lake. Spanish clubs get “Real” after they get a royal decree from the Spanish King (or Queen). The US obv has no royals. Charlotte Town is the original name of Charlotte. It fits so well. Sounds “European,” enough but also has a real relevance for Charlotte. Also would’ve loved for Tepper to buy the Independence brand but I know that’s not happening .

I meant just for POTUS. Absolutely agree state & local mean way, way more. Your vote for President isn’t that important and for the vast majority of people most of the time, the POTUS isn’t really going to effect your life. I only mentioned that b/c I wanted to make the point that my opinion of holding the convention is really just about not endangering Uptown residents & businesses. Not about my personal political beliefs. Youve all seen what these things turn into in normal years. Now the anger & intolerance of differing opinions is so high. People literally (and delusionally) think they’re fighting Nazi’s or Communists (depending on your party). They think violence is justified. Imagine tons of people with that insane mindset descending on your neighborhood. It’s not right. Shut the conventions down. Both of them. This is all to say nothing of the pandemic but I felt this way even before COVID

I actually would oppose the convention and my reasoning has nothing to do with the pandemic. I’ll first lay out my cards, I’m a Republican who doesn’t support Trump or Biden (was gonna vote Amash but now won’t vote at all). My reasoning is simple, and it sucks, but it’s reality. People are going to riot. They’re going to become violent and they’re going to destroy property. Political discourse in this country is no longer rational on either side and violence was a concern even before this era. I know it sucks to give in to what are essentially terrorists (Antifa & Alt-Righy agitators). But business owners & Uptown residents don’t deserve to see their property destroyed & live in fear for 5 days. They shouldn’t be punished to prove a point. I’d say the same in Milwaukee though to be fair, I suspect less violence there. Argue all you want but I think it’s fair to expect more anti-Trump violence in this setting. I also would actually be in favor of getting rid of these archaic conventions all together.

I really don’t see Charlotte getting a team for several reasons. Mainly because if MLB does expand or Tampa Bay moves, Montreal & Portland in that order are far ahead of any other contenders. To throw a third city in with a realistic shot you’d need Tampa to move and a jump to 32 teams. Possible but need a lot of stars to align. Then of course you have BB&T Park which is still so new. Less of a reason to stop MLB but still a consideration.

Wouldn’t be so sure about finance. Alliance Bernstein moved to Nashville for example. You’re right about media though unfortunately. Would improve quality dramatically if they got out of the NYC/DC bubble and spread across the US. I digress though. I do think the trend of major companies moving to both the Southeast & Mountain West (think Denver, Salt Lake City) will only increase post-pandemic. Honeywell & AB are the canaries in the coal mine. It’ll slow once COL evens out but that’s going to take a very long time because from experience, what people in NC consider very expensive is still so cheap. I’m coming from NJ, looking for houses right now (though that’s slowed with the pandemic) and your prices and what you get still blows my mind. Ex: A 400k house in the CLT area is 1 million or more in the NYC area.

To be fair this was just one building in a campus. I used to live not too far from there, there are a lot of corporate campuses in that area. It was set back far from the road with its own private road to access. So it wasn’t just that building. Personally I’d rather work in an urban core than a suburban office campus. Ultimately the reason they moved is b/c NJ has the worst business climate (taxes & regulations) in the nation & NC is consistently in the top 3 best. You don’t have to be in/near NYC anymore, I think you’ll see many more companies relocate to the “New South.” Already happening

So I’m sure others have brought this up when discussing a new stadium but it just dawned on me. Roof, fixed or retractable, means Charlotte is going to inevitably host a Super Bowl. I’d imagine very late part of the 20s, maybe 28 or 29, or early 30s. That’ll be wild.

So if the stadium is built all or partially atop the same site it’s on now, that wouldn’t allow for BofA to remain standing during construction. Where do the Panthers play, do they go back to Clemson for a season maybe? I would imagine the MLS team would go to American Legion for a summer. Or am I misunderstanding how you’d align the new stadium?

I don’t think corporate offices will go away I just think they’ll require far less space. 25%-50% of what they do now.

I can’t imagine anyone will be investing in large amounts of office space any time soon. When this pandemic is over, I think the most prominent lasting effect will be far more remote working. Look for corporate commercial office real estate to plummet in the 20s. My guess would be ground floor retail & dining with residential above. How tall the residential will be? No guess. Unfortunately I think you’re right. It’s a shame too b/c even where the NFL/MLS combo “works,” (Atlanta, Seattle) I still think it looks off.

What about an MLS stadium on the BofA site with the new Panthers on P&F, then an entertainment district (ground level retail, bars, dining, residential above) connecting them? Also not knowing much about engineering and construction, would it be possible to just remove the upper deck of BofA, using the lower bowl as the foundation of an MLS stadium? Remove most of the stadium then build around the intact lower bowl?