SteveFromFuquay

Correct me if I'm wrong, but would this be the only sport where Greensboro and Winston are in the same league? This seems like a great activity to add some fun rivalry tradition. I know the traditional thing is like a trophy of some sort, but anything really to highlight the series winner. Minor League Baseball is supposed to be fun, and silly and a little absurd, so something wacky and light-hearted would fit perfectly.

This is a slightly different question from the one I thought I was answering. I will go on record and say that sports stadiums do not generate any new development. To do this, they would have to create extra demand for real estate. This has been studied extensively and there's just no evidence that adding a new stadium will increase demand for real estate. However, stadiums can act as a focal point for development. As I said above, this is typically because the developer of the stadium wants to build a district around the park itself. We've seen this in Cincinnati and St Louis (and I'm sure other cities). The ballpark may make an area "trendy" and attract investment, but that investment is essentially getting taken from another part of the city or region. So, basically, let's say Greensboro will need 1,000,000 sq feet of new real estate in the next year. If we build a new stadium, that number doesn't change much, but instead of getting built on the News and Record property or Southside or somewhere, it gets built near the stadium because the stadium is 'hot' right now. However, that doesn't always work. Heck, in some cases (i.e. Charlotte) you could argue that the new stadium was drawn by the development, not the other way around. The Knights wanted to be where the action is (and have been setting attendance records ever since).

DBAP is actually 26 years old, built in '95 when the Bulls were still in Single A. Though it's been renovated several times since then. Interesting question, though it's not an apples-to-apples comparison. The Knights are definitely the most centrally located of all the stadiums and there is way more development happening in Uptown Charlotte than the other cities downtowns combined. It's very quickly been woven into the fabric of Uptown as the area around it grows rapidly. For that reason, it's hard to compare the Knights to the other teams. DBAP was SLOW to develop. I grew up nearby and started going there regularly in 1999. I remember when it was basically just the stadium and felt pretty isolated from the "heart" of downtown. Most of the early development around the stadium was done by the family that owns the Bulls, so they were adding to their own investment. It was only in the last 5 years or so that other developers have really started getting involved. Now that they've hit a critical mass, the number of developments has taken off. Those developments, along with ATHD and DPAC have bridged the gap, but it took a while. That whole time the Goodmon family have been continuously investing in new development. In the case of Greensboro, the development is clearly being driven by Ray Carroll. It's the same thing that happened in Durham where one developer is driving the early activity (though I don't know if Carroll is directly involved with the Grasshoppers, I'm sure someone can enlighten me). The stadium feels quite woven into DTG already, but there's obviously room for improvement. I don't think there's any question that 5 or 10 years from now, it will feel even more "connected" to the rest of downtown. Obviously Winston doesn't have the explosion of development that Charlotte has or the single-minded developer leading the way as in Greensboro or Durham. Right now it feels like a big gap but really it isn't that far. It's an urban stadium, even if it's on the edge of downtown. As long as downtown WS continues to grow at a steady pace, I suspect the ballpark will grow into downtown. It's obviously the furthest behind in that regard at the moment.

That's fun! As a minor league baseball aficionado, I think putting these two in the same league makes a lot of sense. Hickory and Asheville will also be in the league. Regarding the Dash's stadium, there were plans at one point to build a whole district near it, similar to the types of development in St Louis, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati at the MLB level (or what we're seeing in Greensboro and Durham). Hopefully they can get that done at some point. A little cluster of sports bars and a sports apparel store would be a fun addition to DT WS.

That's good news! Glad to see G'boro passing that milestone, definitely agree that it's something worth celebrating. That being said, it's not that helpful to compare a sunbelt city with a heritage city like Cincy. Technically, Cincy and G'boro have about the same population, but Cincy anchors an MSA of 2.1 Million and the G'boro - High Point MSA is about 1/3 of that. Nobody who visited the two downtowns would think the cities were the same size. That's true of every NC city, though. Charlotte technically has more people than Boston, but in reality Boston has more like 2.5 x as many people.

Thanks for sharing. This is right next to that big mixed-use development that was supposed to go in. I think it was being built by a church? Does anyone know if there has been any movement on that? I can't find anything after 2018.

I've always been curious about the Depot. It's a beautiful little station in a great location, but it's definitely kind of isolated from the rest of DT. Between that property and the News & Record property, that area could really be something interesting in the future. Side note: The NC railroad plan calls for increasing the daily trains between Raleigh and Charlotte, which would presumably grow ridership in Greensboro as well. Once Charlotte's Gateway Station gets built, it will be a lot easier to travel by train to Uptown Charlotte. Any development at the Depot should include an expansion of capacity without damaging the historic nature of the station.

Hey thanks, man. I was hoping someone might have their own Google MyMaps of development they could share.

Does anyone know if there's a map of current projects for downtown Greensboro? Also, does anyone know if anything has been proposed for the News and Record property?

Another Scott Harmon project in the works over by Central Park. https://www.heraldsun.com/news/business/article228300919.html

New renderings on Fallon's website. This looks to be phase 1 of a multi-phase project. They say groundbreaking expected in the fall. https://www.falloncompany.com/projects/301-hillsborough-street/

Not sure if this is the right place, but the Venable Center just east of DBAP is proposing 8 stories of office called the Roxboro at Venable in a very active part of town. https://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2019/02/12/8-story-mixed-use-building-planned-for-downtown.html

I actually got married across the street from this (in the Arts Council building). I would be a little surprised if they go with the original building because I think the demand for office space is a lot stronger than when they started. My understanding is that the next phase for the Innovation District is a multi-story lab building located immediately north of this parcel, next to the PNC branch. The height of that might influence how tall they go here.

Interesting and nice-looking development. Though, I thought it was funny that they are using a picture of Trade and Tryon as one of the banner images on their website. You can even see the Duke Energy HQ in the background.

Thanks for these! The Bullhouse really changes the perspective of the city pretty significantly when coming in from 147. At some point in the future I imagine the south side of 147 will look pretty similar, starting with Fayette Place and eventually the Heritage Square shopping center.