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So...maybe there is still time to back out of this tower and give the current private donations back?
What about gardens with shade, art statutes, fountains, and benches? What about a soccer field?
I still maintain a "tower" will be initially met with a collective shrug, and then eventually rust and graffiti. A wearable albatross for future generations.
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12 hours ago, apaladin said:
Turned out nice.
I would disagree. "Eyesore"comes to my mind.
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Looks like a big Whole Foods. The number of "at lease" commitments is very impressive. Like that all parking is multi-level. Still trying to wrap my head around the road layout and how it spills onto Augusta Street.
Keeping fingers crossed for an upscale 24-hour gym.....
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MORE multi-story brick and stone infill. We're on a roll!
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Legacy Pines golf course is closing for more subdivisions. Sigh. More loss of natural space. More loss of public outdoor activities. More backed-up traffic. More tree canopy loss.
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40 unites seems pretty tight for that lot; however, LOVE that the exterior will only be brick and limestone. Classic and timeless.
Some great landscaping could really make a difference.
I guess they'll market the place when there aren't games playing at Sirrine Stadium. I have no idea why the school doesn't put the speakers lower and face them toward the fans. Instead, they're placed very high above the stadium and face / broadcast to the surrounding neighborhood. You can probably hear the music and play-by-play better on the surrounding streets than in the stadium.
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Maybe, switch the tower for a "tower" parking garage.
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I hope these are just the large anchors, and not what the majority of the site will be comprised of. If so, then it's just another Magnolia Park. And Magnolia Park is kinda of sad and soulless. A few giant corporate restaurants and "destinations." No real character or backbone. Seems lazy and easy. Also, risky. If the economy takes a downturn then the entire place turns into a complete ghost-town instead of having every other door darkened due to slow business. It's at least $150 for a couple to go out and eat / play at these places. Once you go 2-3 times then the idea of pinball bowling, electronic golf, and pinball machines loses the appeal.
Hopefully the developers will use the remaining space to create a lot of small to mid-size spaces for new and emerging businesses. Let the area grow more organically with a large variety of cafes, one-off shops, small bars & restaurants - all spaced in-between greenspaces and tree-lined sidewalks with parking tucked away in easily accessible parking garages. Think "old Quebec city" or the traditional Euro-bloc (http://urbankchoze.blogspot.com/2015/05/traditional-euro-bloc-what-it-is-how-it.html). But I won' hold my breath. They have shareholders to pay....
Oh and don't forget.....please build a high-end 24/7 gym and a Chipotle.....
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Can we have a thread on kinds of consumer commercial offerings this development will have, and also offerings we *HOPE* it will have?
Confirmed (and please add others I'm sure I'm missing):
1. Whole FoodsMy TOP-5 Wish List:
1. Upscale 24-hour gym. Cardio, lots of free weights, class studios, indoor lap pool. Basically, a YMCA or Prisma Life Center on steroids (bigger) and higher-end. The lack of a premium 24-hour fitness gym DT is annoying. You either have to get up at 5 a.m., or go workout soon after dinner because they all close at 9 p.m.
2. Chipotle
3. Local coffee roaster / coffee-house offering early breakfast and lunch.
4. Local Bakery (fresh bread/bagels, donuts, cookies, and desserts) (* Probably a no-go since Whole Foods will be an anchor).
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Yes, this looks great! Views will be nice.
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Couldn't read behind the paywall. Are they moving economic development from government to a non-profit?
This is not going to be a good thing in the long run. Less oversight from local citizens is a very bad thing. Eventually, non-profit gets bought, either directly or indirectly, by private interests. Private interests cater to their own needs, and not the overall community citizen.
Another major concern. Why is Greenville covered so well by a Charleston paper, not a Greenville paper. Where is the local media acting as our "fourth estate" here locally? Plans, the players involved, and pending deals need to be public and debated.
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More info can be found here (and not behind a paywall):
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This is not a "Wow! Welcome to Greenville" building. Underwhelming material. Fiber cement and vinyl are "economical choices." ACM panels will look good for about 10 years and then start to age. Both fiber cement and ACM will look cheap and bad in 12-15 years.
But I get it. Building ain't cheap these days. Maybe the city should offer tax incentives in exchange for better building materials? Stone, brick, metal, glass.
I'd love to see architects and developers get in a public war over building beautiful buildings, WWE style.
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On 5/16/2023 at 5:26 AM, GvilleSC said:
4 story office building in the center of the site?
Need for commercial space is declining. Larger buildings may be residential.
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And the hits just keep on.......coming. Because it looks that bad.
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Agreed. Currently there is a major choke point at the intersections at: (a) Harris St / Augusta St. and (b) Vardry St. / Augusta Street. This will make it worse.
Harris street intersection issues will eventually be alleviated when County Sq. project changes the feeder road.
But I don't see the Vardry St. backup quandary changing unless that railroad track gets abandoned. Which, as an aside, if that track was abandoned and changed into a bike/walk trail then the western part of Greater Sullivan; northern Dunean area; and, southern area of Sterling neighborhoods would all be given a great access point into downtown.
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“Fifty to 100 years from now, this project is not going to look out of date,” Lehde says. “That limestone is just going to age and patina and look more beautiful over time.”
This is true. I wish other developers would matriculate into this school of thought.
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On 4/16/2023 at 6:58 AM, vicupstate said:
If you look back at the comments in the first three pages of this thread, when the approvals were going through, you will see most of the comments were favorable and even very favorable. We all fell in love with the density and the plaza. I will say that 'Skyliner' was a definite exception as was 'ausrutherford'. The city and the neighborhood were much more invested in seeing the McClaren building preserved than the architecture. Once that was resolved, the discussion was mostly over.
True. I don't think most of us amateurs understood how the dimensions would impact that area. And let's be honest, the pictures look 1,000x better than the actual building.
I hope I'm wrong, but I expect this development to age rather poorly. It's new, and most of us cringe when looking at it now. I shudder imagining how it will hold up in 10 years.
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Hope there is room in the budget for some serious sidewalk power-washing downtown. Is it me, or has the increased traffic (and homelessness) significantly worsened the state of the sidewalks (and sometimes smell) downtown? I am thankful the city is trying to handle the Rat Kingdom that moved into the bushes just outside the Jimmy John's on Washington.
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How does the public weigh in on the proposed zoning changes I see signs for everywhere? Is there an email, or do you have to attend the in-person meetings? I don't see a link or information on the website.
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Too bad for SOTW. Prime corner location. I'm sure it gets them a lot of strolling customers just looking for a place. They see the seating, live music, and moderate prices and decide to stop.
Parking available, too. I get the smoked wings there just because it's so easy to park and pick up. Doesn't get much better.
Husk location is nice, but lacks outdoor area and parking. Who's taking over the old Cook's Station?
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Glad city punted this back for a better exterior and better scaling to sidewalk. Yes, the city should encourage developers to beef up exterior quality and be greedy on interior cuts when building inside 29601. It's easier to gut an interior than to build a new building.
Quality building exteriors, decent architecture, calculated massing, smart transportation, proper parking, ample greenspace, and shady sidewalks are the keys to snowballing development to value in a city center.
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More cheap looking exterior material. This will not age well.
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This might be....no it probably is....the ugliest development in the whole city. The windows make it look like a hospital at best, a minimum security prison at worst. The exterior tiles look very cheap. The haphazard pattern of said tiles are uncomfortably random and mildly infuriating. I have an immediate negative emotional reaction every time I drive by it; however, because of it's scale and placement so close to Academy - I'm forced to experience it.
I figured I was being overly sensitive so I looked the property up thinking it was low-income housing. But I was wrong. It's a "luxury building" that will be apartments (20% workforce) and another hotel. This cannot be right. No porches? No brick? No room for plantings?
I cannot believe this passed the design review board. Who thought this would look good? I believe the only person that could be happy with this exterior is the designer of Link West --- because now they're not the ugliest building in Greenville.
Has anyone driven by this building recently and thought to themselves, "Oh my lanta, what a treasure for our Greenville skyline. Dr. McClaren would be so proud to have his name on this building." I guess it's too late, but I think they should plant kudzu around the base of the entire exterior and let it cover up this randomly gross cheap tile design.
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I wish every city / county council member would be required to watch this. Let government get out of the way. Allow for backyard-granny flats, sidewalks/bike lanes, small front yard service businesses, and corner stores.
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