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22 minutes ago, gman430 said:
Makes sense. With Silver ending CHS service they probably have more capacity to add additional service to other locations. I figure Nashville being only a five hour drive away probably doesn’t have the passenger demand to warrant full size plane service like with Southwest or Avelo but does with smaller plane service like Silver. Have you heard anything about Boston service?
I always hear great things about landing BOS. Problem is I've been hearing it for 20 years. I take the I'll believe it when I see it when it comes to BOS and/or Jetblue.
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21 hours ago, gman430 said:
CHS has completely lost all Silver service permanently with just two weeks notice. Ouch. GSP though is getting increased frequency to both MCO and TPA starting this month and in December. Going from three times a week to four times a week.
On the flip side though, CHS has just landed Air Canada service. Must be nice.
With Silver recently starting GSO-BNA service, I'm eyeing that for GSP. You know Silver isn't content with 1 flight at BNA and GSP kills for that BNA service. Something to watch.
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57 minutes ago, rssgvegas said:
Probably not for a while. Sales at the other restaurants are not where GSP wants them to be to warrant another restaurant at this time.
Personally I wonder if the reason sales are lower than expected is because too much of the food offering is sit down. I know alot of people usually try to get through security about an hour prior to their flight. I'm the same way. Usually I'm too uneasy about sitting down to order b/c I'm not sure how long it will take. I'd much rather just grab a quick bite and take it to the gate. Unfortunately Chick-fil-a and Dunkin are your only 2 options for that. I do think a sub shop would do great, but what do I know?
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1 hour ago, gman430 said:
Is anything ever going to go inside the empty retail and restaurant spaces like Qdoba or are we just going to sit here twiddling our thumbs forever? CAE just landed Samuel Adams Brewhouse and Jimmy John’s. Must be nice.
Probably not for a while. Sales at the other restaurants are not where GSP wants them to be to warrant another restaurant at this time.
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40 minutes ago, gman430 said:
Well, I guess Avelo isn’t doing that well at GSP going off that news. Already cutting ILG service fully with MCO going seasonal. Asheville and Allegiant will continue to hurt GSP until the airport can get better destinations with low cost carriers. It’s freaking silly GSP doesn’t have Boston, Nashville, and Las Vegas.
I do however see that Southwest expands ATL and American Airlines expands DFW later this year which might help take some of the sting away.
I wouldn't pin the ILG thing on GSP. More of an Avelo/ILG thing. GSP, RDU, SAV, and CHS were all designated as seasonal routes for ILG. They all end service at the end of October. None of them came back for the schedule extension through April.
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Avelo has extended their schedule to the end of April. MCO comes back in Feb. ILG does not. HVN still there as well.
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On 9/9/2023 at 2:32 AM, gman430 said:
Oh…go cry me a river and drink a beer. Nowhere did I say it was my own. I’m just trying to provide some updates for forum members. Not my fault you can’t provide any good GSP airport updates anymore.
Lol it's not a competition to post information. This is a forum for discussion with others. Sometimes forums have people like you who whine, complain, act like they know about the industry on the whys and hows, and post others info to act like they are a know it all. These kind of posters make others, like myself, not to want to join in the discussion much anymore and the discussion starts to go silent and slowly dies. Have you noticed a theme on this thread?
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11 hours ago, gman430 said:
For July 2023, Avelo had a 77.5% load factor out of GSP. Allegiant was first out of GSP with a 92.5% load factor while Southwest was last with a 76.5% load factor.
October 2023 flights are up 12.8% and seats are up 19.8% compared to October 2022.
Thomas Creek Brewery is going through a name change and will now be Greenville Triumph Brewery. Thomas Creek beers will continue to be served.
$20 million instead of $50 million from the state for the commercial airports statewide.
Parking garage slightly delayed and will now be starting construction in Spring 2024 with completion in Spring 2026. $114 million total.Decorative I-85 entrance signage slated to be complete in Spring 2024.
You could at least quote your reference instead of passing it off as your own.
https://gspairport.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/GSP-Commission-Package-September-2023-FINAL.pdf
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On 8/2/2023 at 3:21 PM, DirectorBob0209 said:
AEW's new show is almost sold out for Saturday's Event. Barring that they only opened the 100 section and floor. Would be a good turnout for their first event in Greenville ever (only WWE has been here)
AEW did 4524. That's actually a decent number for that show which is in its infancy.
https://wrestlingheadlines.com/list-of-attendance-figures-for-this-weeks-wwe-and-aew-tv-events-69/
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United and American will both be running nonstops to GSP and back from South Bend Nov 3rd and 5th for the Notre Dame vs Clemson game. United is also upguaging a couple Express flights to Mainline those same days.
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Any updates on what they will be doing here and when?
https://greenvillejournal.com/community/city-of-greer-purchases-over-72-acres-for-around-2-4m/
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5 hours ago, PuppiesandKittens said:
Dulles is a United hub airport, so United most certainly flies to Dulles.
It doesn’t have a direct GSP-IAD flight but an itinerary might go through there anyway.
Well duh. We were talking from GSP. If you meant going through IAD as a 2nd stop you would've mentioned the 1st stop too. At that point though you'd need a 3rd stop to get to MEM from GSP via IAD bc United also doesn't fly nonstop to MEM from IAD either.
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28 minutes ago, PuppiesandKittens said:
As someone who flies out of GSP every week on American, I would avoid Charlotte at all costs. Taking United wouldn't make sense because you'd connect through Washington Dulles or Newark, which is a longer trip. So it's connecting through Atlanta: either Delta or Southwest.
I'd take whichever one has more flights, in case of a disruption, as long as the price is the same.
I take Delta every now and then and it's a perfectly fine airline. Being able to get a pretty comfortable seat in Comfort+ (and earlier boarding, free booze, etc.) for usually $20 or so over the base fare is a pretty good deal.
United does't fly to Dulles and you'd actually go through Houston or Chicago. As for longer trips, don't forget connection times. Depending on the schedules, sometimes taking a little bit longer of a flight to one place might get you to your destination a little quicker!
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54 minutes ago, apaladin said:
Couple of quick questions as I am ready to book a short vacation to Memphis 2 weeks from today. How much are the daily rates in A and B? Thinking about flying Southwest. Do they still have the system where you call and get a position and have to get in line. Would Delta, AA or United be better? Thanks in advance
Here is the link to GSP parking. Gives you rates, real time status of lot availability, and allows you to make reservations if you prefer.
https://gspairport.com/parking/
You don't have to call anyone for Southwest, but your boarding number goes by check-in time unless you want to purchase expedited boarding. They still do have you line up by numbers to board.
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2 hours ago, gman430 said:
Yes. The fact they’re moving the planes elsewhere tells me the demand isn’t there. If the demand was there, they would leave the routes at GSP intact permanently. GSP is the only route being cut from HVN. You don’t see American Airlines cutting service to the northeast in the dead of winter. They’re actually increasing service overall as we get closer to that time of year.
No, that's where seasonality comes in. Don't compare AA to Avelo lol. That's 15 planes compared to 1400. You put your planes where you make your money. You'd be foolish to send planes there and not take advantage of your Florida cities. Then as the Florida seasonal ends you go back to those other routes. Just like they went away from MCO in Sept and Oct, but came back for Florida season in November. These planes don't connect. You can't funnel people in a hub and spoke system like the legacy carriers. This is a completely different business model.
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36 minutes ago, gman430 said:
ILG-GSP with Avelo ends October 29th. HVN-GSP also with Avelo ends November 28th.
So you equate an airline with only 15 planes not selling flights in the dead winter to 2 cities in the Northeast and utilizing the planes in better spots to failure and closure of a station?
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8 hours ago, gman430 said:
It is what it is. Too bad Avelo will be leaving GSP completely soon. They sure didn’t last long. Flights only once a day twice a week is a joke anyways. We need more airlines that actually fly everyday and more than once a day.
Avelo loads have been very strong the first couple weeks. Not sure why you think they would be gone other than to troll the airport. MCO disappears in Sept and Oct, but comes right back in Nov. I expect Avelo to grow, not shrink at GSP. They are very high on the airport. Not too many cities with them start with more than 1 destination!
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1 hour ago, apaladin said:
I think you are stretching it a little. The disruptions were only the last couple of days in the northeast. A lot of Gman430’s examples were before the interruptions.
You must not have been paying attention then. This all really started Friday then ramped up on Saturday and has continued on. Just at GSP starting Friday, the ORD flights were delayed earlier on, then the NYC flights all cancelled or delayed. Florida was on a ground stop leading to Avelo's 17 hour delay to MCO. The hits kept rolling. At one point on Saturday, Chicago, San Francisco, Denver, Florida, the DC area, and most of the Northeast were all on ground stops or ground delay programs. It has continued since. As you can see from today, it's not just the northeast! Also, my response was to his post about today's flights. Nothing else.
https://thepointsguy.com/news/major-northeast-travel-delays-cancellations/
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16 hours ago, gman430 said:
For Tuesday June 27th:
Delta:Five of the six flights to and from ATL sold out.
Both flights to and from LGA sold out.
One of the two flights to DTW sold out and one of the two flights from DTW sold out.
United:
Two of the three flights to EWR sold out and all three flights from EWR sold out.
Flight to DEN sold out.One of the three flights to ORD sold out.
American:Both flights to PHL sold out and both flights from PHL sold out.
One of the two flights to LGA sold out and both flights from LGA sold out.
Flight from MIA sold out.One of the two flights from DFW sold out.
One of the six flights to CLT sold out and four of the six flights from CLT sold out.
Southwest:Flight from BWI sold out.
Silver:
Flight to and from MCO sold out.
Flight from TPA sold out.
I wouldn't judge today's loads by any measure. It's been a disaster for travel since Friday. Thousands of delays and cancellations. People haven't been able to get home for days. Any flight that is going anywhere is gonna be full!
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11 hours ago, gman430 said:
Looks like two of the three EWR flights will be mainline starting September 5th not just one. Airbus 319 and Boeing 737-700.
That is correct. The United schedule is finalized through the end of September. EWR is 2x mainline daily from Sept 6-16 and 1x daily after that.
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When United made the decision to add the Mesa 900s that came from AA, they placed them in IAH and DEN. That coupled with new planes slowly rolling in helps them expand DEN.
The objective for United has always been to make DEN their biggest hub. There's been no secret about that. IAD is supposed to grow too. Word has just leaked about IAD renovations and expansion. Also Scott Kirby just mentioned IAD will expand and stated IAD will go to 7 banks of flights over the current 4.
The growing of IAD is expected to be a mostly mainline growth though, so it will probably be a little later in the United Next plan as the Mainline planes really start rolling in. My best guess is that will start happening late '24 into 2025.
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8 hours ago, gman430 said:
Qdoba looks like they’re closing going off the airport budget for the next fiscal year.
That’s gonna make three empty F&B spaces within the airport now. Ouch. Wish they would combine the two spaces next to Dunkin’ and put in a Panera or First Watch.
Capital improvements in the 2023-2024 budget, airline fill rates for March, and number of seats/flights for June:
Qdoba has been closed for quite a while! Dunkin now has a candy shop next store.
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30 minutes ago, gman430 said:
Is IAD and mainline to Denver ever going to come back???
IAD will be back at some point, but probably not anytime soon. Not sure about DEN. I know the airport has been trying to convince UA to bring back IAD and add a 2nd DEN. United has said privately they really like the GSP market and want to grow it, but the problem is plane availability. As part of United next, UA will be adding over 500 narrow bodies in the next few years. Unfortunately delays at Boeing and Airbus have slowed that process. I think they also pulled a couple mainline this summer b/c they needed planes for the summer season schedule in places like the Caribbean. It looks like when that ends GSP goes back up to 4. IAD was always about the regional pilot shortage and never about market. Again, as United mainline deliveries grow, I expect IAD to come back. My guess is middle to late 2024. United will continue to grow at GSP. Patience will be the key unfortunately right now.
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On 3/9/2023 at 1:01 AM, rssgvegas said:
Initial frequency is as follows. 6 flights a week. I *believe * its 4 to HVN and 2 to MCO but I could be wrong.
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GSP: 6 weekly flights
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· 2 Thursday
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· 2 Sunday
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· 1 Wednesday
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o Changes to 1 Monday after 06/24
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· 1 Saturday
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o Changes to 1 Friday after 06/24
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The airport never stops pushing for more airlines and routes. Nothing else is imminent right now though.
Looks like 6 weekly flights was right. Not sure why they held off on the ILG announcement other than maybe they wanted to make it apart of the ILG expansion announcement!
While the September schedule is not finalized, United has tentatively upgauged one of their EWR flights to a mainline a319 starting Sept 5th. Also that same day, IAH is upgauged to a 166 seat B737-800 and the pm ORD mainline that goes away this summer comes back and is also upgauged to a B737-800.
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That’s gonna make three empty F&B spaces within the airport now. Ouch. Wish they would combine the two spaces next to Dunkin’ and put in a Panera or First Watch. 
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Well the other factor would be if the airline thinks there is enough demand to warrant service, the next question would be is it enough to pull from another route? Planes and pilots are still at a premium, so remember, not only does it have to be profitable, it has to be more profitable than the service they would end or cut down on to start it!
Also remember start up costs for a new airport, equipment, and ground handling staff if was a new airline like jetblue. That would be in the hundreds of thousands of dollars so there are a lot of factors to go into it!