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I'm merely saying that "new urbanism," as a term, is one name of many for a type of development. You can call it Traditional Neighborhood Development, New Urbanism. Chris Leinberger calls it Walkable Urbanism. Doesn't matter.
There's definitely an agenda, but you and I probably disagree about what that is and what its goals are.
haha, I remember this same conversation a few years ago. I was discussing the term "TND" and how their is nothing traditional about them. But like I said, I'm all about choice, as long as the choice isn't forced upon me.
New urbanism is a design-based approach to urbanism that was "created" primarily by architects and urban designers. It is an attempt to resuscitate the desirable elements of "old" urbanism that have been largely thrown out the window over the past 50 or 60 years in favor of a suburban-style sprawl pattern of development. If some developers have used the term as a marketing device, to call the whole philosophy a scam or a ruse is a gross exaggeration that avoids discussion of the important economic, environmental, political and social issues that are implicated. The agenda is to encourage development that is compact, walkable, diverse, and economically and environmentally sustainable. You don't have to share those values, but if you insist on employing logical fallacies instead of engaging the discussion, you don't deserve to be taken seriously.
I know all about NU, TND, etc. Lemme ask you a question and answer this as honestly as possible: Say there was a new TND; sidewalks, mixed use buildings, housing of all incomes, commercial and park integration, but the lots for single family homes were 1/2 acre or more. Would you support this project? Thanks
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New urbanism is simply a name, and in fact one of many that all can be used interchangeably for the same thing. That just starts splitting hairs.
I strongly disagree with that statement. I think NU is very agenda driven, but that's a different topic for another time.
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I'd say that is a pretty brilliant observation! Sad that so many of these NU developments are plopped smack in the middle of suburbia, off a freeway entrance, so everyone still needs a car. Nothing green about that.
I'll just asked, what was was/is wrong with just good old "urban". Why the need for "new urbanism"?
Yeah, I'm all for gentrification.
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Let me clarify something. I love the fact that a development can incorporate single family units, apartments, commerical and parks into one development. What I don't like is the fact that people are guilted and/or shamed into liking it or not liking it. I don't like that developers are building homes on lots smaller than the welcome mats on the front porch and claiming that it is to "reduce our carbon footprint" or whatever pc mantra that will make them look "progressive". They're doing it because they are greedy, bottom line. But as I stated previously, there are many consumers that do feel good about themselves buy having a tiny yard. Hey, too each his own, no problem. What I do object to is the condescending , "I'm an enlightened progressive, and you're not" attitude that was evidenced by saying that I like suburban sprawl, because I'm skeptical of NU. That's a very intolenrat opinion to hold.
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Wow, this is one of the more cynical/ignorant posts I've read in quite a while. You can criticize aspects of New Urbanism movement, such as the tendency to focus on greenfield sites or build developments that are too expensive to support a true mixed-income population, but the principles of New Urbanism are solid. If you don't care about suburban sprawl and all the economic/environmental costs that go along with it, that's fine. Just own up to it rather than insulting thousands of people who you don't know a thing about.
Don't be so sensitive. This is a message board and on ocassion people will have opinions that differ from your own. I feel that NU is a scam, but I support anyones right to participate in it, as long as I am not forced to. P.S. Being against NU doesn't mean that I support "suburban spraw", that's very condescending. It's not an either/or.
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New Urbanism is a ruse and a marketing ploy, itself. Greedy developers can put multiple homes on tiny lots, all under the guise of "environmentalism" "smaller carbon footprint", etc. while buyers who are oriented towards this type of thinking can feel good themselves by doing their part to be "green." It's greed placating guilt. A win/win.
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Longhorn and O'Charleys got married and had a kid; they named it Cheddars. lol
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Some people don't like their cheese melted or buns toasted...
Psssst... Sonrise, if you're still looking for a good franchise opportunity, check out http://www.hubeeds.com/ ... currently, the one and only is on Savannah Hwy. in West Ashley in Chucktown. They will give Zaxby's and Raising Cane's a run for their money.
Hamburger heresy, I say. lol
That place looks really good, but franchising after one location, really? Lemme see how they do for a few years, but it does look good, is it your place?
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Just heard from a reliable source that Cheesecake Factory has purchased/leased a parcel of land directly in front of the Rooms To Go main entrance. Can anyone verify?
10 years ago this would have been very exciting, but the quality has gone down so much over the last few years it's a shame. We went to the one in Charlotte for my wife's b'day and it was terrible. Nevertheless, the cache' of the name is good for our city, I suppose.
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Five Guys is no competition for Mojo's (at least it shouldn't be). Anybody know when Leopard Forest moves?
Mojo's is really bland, fresh, but bland. Five Guys is decent, but they don't melt the cheese or toast the buns; major no-no's. Plus FG's is ridiculously expensive.
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Even though I probably couldn't afford to shop there it brought even more cachet to Greenville. This is very disappointing news. Oh, well.
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The drawing looks great.
Can you or someone else post it? I didn't get a copy this week.
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Excuse my ignorance but is Trader Joe's a grocery store or restaurant? Also someone mentioned a wine bar going into the "former" Jimmy John's on McBee. I was by there last night and Jimmy John's was open.
A cool, hip, trendy upscale market without an ounce of pretense:
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Is El Pollo Campero the chain you once mentioned being viewed as not-so-great in Southern California?
Yes, El Pollo Loco was the one that I was really big on, EPC, not so much.
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El Pollo Campero already went belly up, the franchisee must have lost a ton of money on that place, it's a really attractive store. We ate there a few times and it just wasn't that good. I had heard/read that they were going to put a 2nd store next to BK in front of Target on Wade Hampton, the building's almost done, but I assume that it's no longer gonna house Campero.
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Although we all know it's implied to mean Southwest, it can't explicitly mention Southwest for obvious reasons.
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Word on the street is that if the incentives package currently in the state legislature passes, GSP will land Southwest Airlines. That's part of the deal for them to come here. Things are looking very encouraging.
G-man, on city-data you said it was a done deal; if it doesn't pass, I'm coming to your house. lol
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Wow, good find, citiylife!
...And since when has the intersection of Highway 14 and I-85 had the zip code of 29607? (Yeah, there's always one in the bunch.)
Huh? BPS was originally going to go into a new "lifestyle center" on the south side of 14/85, but after the economic collapse, that whole project was shelved. BPS is now going to build at MPTC on Woodruff.
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Having been to D & B many times several years ago in Philly, I can assure you it's not intended nor marketed as a "family fun place." What may be confusing some is that their concept takes kids games, i.e arcade games and modifies them towards the 20 and 30 something hip and trendy crowd. To confirm my believe, I researched their website, and nary a picture of a kid was to be found. Even on the games link:
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My point was that this new fun zone tenant describes itself as family friendly, yet has a martini bar. That is contradictory to me. How can they possibly combine snot-nosed kids with martinis and not have a conflicting environment?
Personally I would prefer that they take the Dave & Buster's angle and cut out the kid-friendly stuff. We already have Chuck E. Cheese and plenty of other play areas for kids. What we need is an adult-themed fun place. That would complement the future town center at Magnolia Park - with The Grape, Trader Joe's, Maggiano's Little Italy, Cheesecake Factory, etc. - perfectly. This kid-friendly bowling alley with martinis, not so much.
But hey, it's last call at the bar and Magnolia Park Town Center is desperate to have someone - anyone - to commit to them. They have been patient all night, but nothing has happened. It's slim pickings, for sure. So they're seemingly to the point of scanning the wall for whoever is left. I don't blame the developers exactly - I just think it could be better than this.
Couldn't agree more; it sends a really mixed message, as the "martini" crowd and the kids bowling/arcade are two entirely different demos. Dave and Busters isn't marketed as family friendly; it's target is the hip and trendy 20 and 30 somethings. I dunno about this place; I'll reserve judgment.
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Hey guys....a group of us have joined together and formed the G-CATS.....(Greenville Citizens Against Trees). We have a list of grievances against the trees on Main Street. We are lobbying City Hall to cut down the trees on Main Street and just replace with shrubs.
Here are our list of grievances:
- We are tired of bird poop on our heads when walk down the sidewalk.
- The falling leaves get in our tomato basil soup when we are eating outside (it is REALY hard to tell the difference between a piece of basil and a small leaf).
- I can't see the stage for Friday Night Jazz and I'm not smart enough to step in front of a tree so I can see.
- I just bought an extended cab dually and we need longer parking spaces so my trailer hitch doesn't hang into the street and get knocked off.
- The sidewalks are too crowded. Some of the women in our group love open toe shoes and can't wear them when walking on Main because their feet get stepped on. Get rid of the trees and give us bigger sidewalks.
- I have allergies to many of the trees downtown and can't go downtown without sneezing.
- These trees are just big lightening rods!
- One child was running down the street the other day and ran straight into a tree. Left a bump on his head. We should have flat sidewalks with no objects so my child can run free and never bump into anything.
- I'm a senior citizen with bad eyesight and sometimes confuse the trees for a person.
- The trees make the perfect spot for muggers, purse snatchers, and all sorts of criminals to hide behind.
Here is one other grievance that the Bi-Lo manager wanted added:
- We are having a concert and don't want to use the indoor 16,000 seat arena. We want to have the concert in the parking lot and we want everyone to see the stage. The trees are blocking some views of the stage.
Now seriously guys, does the Bi-Lo reason sound anymore logical or sane than the made-up list above? Sadly, IMO, no......it really fits right in with that silly list.
Apaladin and G-man, er, I mean citylife are heading up this committee, right.
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Contact the Greenville News, this is an embarrassment and disgrace and I think, if given the right amount of attemtion could be a big, minor story. i'm behind you 100% on this one, buddy. Post it on c-d also, get all of the attention to this you can. I can't stand housing developments that clear cut all of the land, that was a major reason my wife and i chose the house that we did; the developer made sure to leave a very significant amount of trees on each lot.
Here is the link to their website.http://www.treesgreenville.org/
Excellent organization. I spoke with them yesterday about the Bi-Lo issue. They were sick over it. They are mounting a campaign for everyone to flood Bi-Lo with calls and letters. They are not an organization that will mount a physical protest, instead, they will work behind the scenes with the city for positive resolution. They assured me the city is upset over this, and Bi-Lo will have to pay up / own up / correct the mistake.
Trees Greenville actually gets actively involved with education. They see this Bi-Lo issue as a chance to educate the public on the importance of trees. One great thing as well.....apparently Greenville News is working on a follow up story on the Bi-Lo issue, but the follow-up story will be from the perspective of Trees Greenville....listing how trees lower the temps in parking lot heat islands, clean the air of auto exhaust, etc, etc.
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GSP does not offer incentives to low cost carriers. They think it's something airports don't do anymore even if I disagree. The only commercial airline to make a profit in 2008 was Allegiant.
No, they were not. As I stated in my previous post, which you directly quoted, Southwest also turned a profit in '08.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/01/22/business/23air.php
To not offer incentives that would increase air traffic, and directly jobs, just because they feel that "airports don't do that anymore' is asinine. SW only flies to Raleigh in all of the Carolinas. They already serve many markets much smaller than ours, plus we could also derive catchment from Charlotte as well as Columbia and Ashville. Hopefully, the new leadership has more forward thinking then the previous administration.
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We need to offer incentives to Low Cost carriers, plain and simple. I fly outta GSP 3x's a month and all of the flights are very busy. We were just named the 3rd most expensive airport in the country, yet again, after Cincinnati and Knoxville. They should make a huge push to get Southwest in here, they're one of, if not the only airlines to turn a profit in '08 and only serve Raleigh in all of the Carolinas. Also, the fact that we're in the top three in yields for Allegient I would really encourage them to fly to more markets then just Florida, and we have a very good precedent with them.
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Fair enough, and thanks for your honest response. My apologies if I came off a little to strongly yesterday.