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Soooooooo...... anyone got any pictures to post?
here here, JFW. i'm itchin to see updates on dynatech that aren't form the webcam as well as 55 west, paramount and the florida hospital, etc.
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Who's to say 15 or 20 years from now Orlando's tallest won't be in Altamonte or Millenia?
...eww
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I think San Diego may have some strict height restrictions, while they have nice density, from the pictures I've seen the buildings don't seem all that tall. I don't think Orlando should emulate any city but should have our own admirable skyline and street level downtown. It needs to be a striking or shocking city all of a sudden rising out the middle of the Florida peninsula and send the signal that here's a huge city in Florida that doesn't need the beach or oceans to exist. People need to say "Wow, how did this happen?!"
I understand what you mean about strip condos on the beach, even Daytona Beach or Panama City can or already have buildings as tall or taller than Orlando but have nothing to do with the size of the city. But I do disagree about Miami, a lot has changed over the past decade. I now consider the beachfront condos down there the same as apartment buildings in Manhattan or Chicago, but have Florida architecture as opposed to brick buildings in those cities.
i said seattle not san diego.
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While Orlando might not have Charlotte's height hopefully we'll pass them in density. Like some one said earlier look at Vancouver. You wouldn't even know all their building are under 500' because it's so dense. While Charlotte is trying to be Atlanta I think we should model our city after Vancouver. I love Atlanta but Vancouver's skyline is much better in my oppinion. But I must say a good photo.
have to be honest, i love density, but vancouver is crammed full of tall condo buildings that to me are just not as appealing as a glass office tower. maybe it just reminds me too much of a strip of condos on a beach or something. which i guess is why i could care less for miami's skyline either. best skyline in the country imho is seattle. thats who we should emulate.
oh, and yes, those photo's of charlotte are pretty nifty. i think i have a little p*nis envy.
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I agree wholeheartedly. I understand that the current Citrus Bowl is seriously showing its age and that something needs to be done, but I am not in favor of spending so much money on a renovation...ESPECIALLY if it could possibly compromise the construction of the new arena and performing arts center.
If I had it my way, I would use a small portion of the money allocated for the Citrus Bowl for the most essential renovations and then use the remainder to purchase land in Parramore adjacent to the proposed arena site for a future stadium. That way, years down the road when the city wants to pursue a major league football or baseball team, it can go all out with a brand new stadium proposal in desirable downtown location. It would be able to take advantage of the arena's existing parking structures and would be near existing mass transit lines. Worst comes to worst, if the city decides not to propose a new stadium, it sells the land years down the road for a profit.
and if i had my, bic, you would get your way! brilliant idea!
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thanks for the link. that made life easy.
looks like a hospital
yw and yeah its very sterile looking. i kinda threw up a little when i saw the pic.
but then again, isn't it off the beaten path? at least its not right on I-drive. -
my point is, LA is more high profile than orlando on many levels. period. therefore disney of course would fork over more money. that is the way they are. but can you blame them?
don't get mad at me just for stating the obvious.
and again, lost in this whole argument which i didn't even intend on starting is the $13.5 million. disney didn't have to give ANYthing.
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It gets used a lot... and offten....
I know this and don't even live in Orlando Currently.
And I disagre with your reasoning for the differance in givings twords the Disney Hall and the OPAC. The whole Idea that people and ogainizations would/should donate thier money on a tierd system due to some obective standard of what level a city is on is on is proposterous.
Its like going to the Outback in Tallahassee and only seeing Chicken on the menu... 'cuse after all... its only Tallahassee.
trust me i'm not trying to say LA is above orlando. but practically speaking, when a house that goes for $150 grand in orlando goes for $450 grand in LA, there is gonna be an over all difference that is merely a reflection of the differences in standard of living. the disney hall was such a big deal for the disney family who live in LA and adding gehry to the mix (another local son), it was a much bigger deal nationally when it happened than the OPAC will be. it makes sense that the disney corporation would give more merely for the exposure.
by your argument, then perhaps some private orlando family should fork over $84.5 million. ....ain't gonna happen. not in orlando.
ya'll can hate disney all you want. i sure have lots of reasons to hate them having given them 7 years of my life i can't get back, but $13.5 million gift is a gift nonetheless. i know the OPAC people are happy.
besides, Outback sucks
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I think it is more like this. Disney gives away audio and lighting equipment (that was going to sit in a warehouse) to the amphitheatre and puts a BS price tag on it. Paint could have been leftovers from the Kraft exhibit at Epcot or something. Imagineers labor hours, which they were getting paid anyway, are added to the computation. They just padded the numbers. There is no $1MM that went into it.
Does anyone know how much Disney gave to build the PAC in LA? Just curious.
according to wikipedia (which may or may not be reliable) the disney family gave 84.5 million and the walt disney company gave 25 million. they are separate contributions. the Disney Concert Hall is widley known more for the Disney family than the corporation.
but it really is hard to compare these two. downtown LA and downtown orlando are quite on different levels not to mention LA's own frank gehry was the architect. i think what disney is contributing to the OPAC is pretty comparable to be honest.
i do agree, however, that they could have put a much better effort into the amphitheater. but here's my question, what is the amphitheater used for year in and year out. i know the orlando shakespeare festival uses it, but what else? anybody know?
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Does anyone have access to renderings of this Hilton?
there is a rendering of it on orlandoskyscrapers.com
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Quick update from www.clubparis.net ....apparently they are closing the club at Church Street on August 12th and opening in a new location with a new name....so I guess the rumor that Khun was going to make all the current tennants vacate is true?
yeah, i hear the new location for Paris Hilton's namesake is just northeast of the the JYP and I-4 interchange. and its gonna be called "No Special Privilages"
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With all these private donations I sure hope we get a world class design/architect.
how bout gehry??
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Cameron Kuhn announced today that The Plaza will begin offering full-service curbside valet parking at The Plaza's parking garage. Service is set to begin May 18, 2007 and will be offered between 6pm and 3am at a cost of $10. The building's management team is also looking into adding detailing and hand carwashing services for patrons.
considering how apparently narrow the garage entrance is maybe they should also offer body work.
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I wonder what is different about PF Changs in Florida? I've been several times in NoVA (Northern Virginia) and in Columbia, MD (between DC and Baltimore) -- both of these very good. I'm not a big Chinese food fan (ate traditional american chinese food too much while growing up), but I love PF Changes. A new one just opened in DT Baltimore at the Inner Harbor where I now live. I have yet to check this one out.
i think what most people argue is you shouldn't have to pay that much for chinese food. especially when there are some really inexpensive and quite good asian flavors down in little siagon.
no offense, but imho, pf changs is a restaurant for those who aren't as exposed to as much culture as others; as are most huge national chains regardless of cuisine type. but then again, i grew up in orlando and moved to seattle which is pretty much the best city in america for mid-priced non-chain restaurants, so it really opened my eyes to the fact that there are so many other eating establishments out there that are better. then of course also having the privilage to travel to many parts of asia, i got to experience asian cuisine at its origin which made it much more evident that big chain american asian food kinda sucks. therefore, i just choose to never go back to big chain eating unless i have to.
of course, there is always the age-old formula... if you see a lot asian people eating in a certain asian restaurant and not another, there is probably a good reason.
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Graze... as in MOOOOOO, B1TCH3S
unless of course Glaze is an asian steakhouse, then maybe it IS supposed to be Graze.
"see de dericious cows glazing in the glass"
i'm going to hell.
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Disney seeks upscale appeal with new Four Seasons resort
Christopher Boyd {sodEmoji.|} Sentinel Staff Writer
Posted March 2, 2007
Walt Disney World plans to break ground on a luxurious Four Seasons resort this year, bringing one of the world's most prestigious hotel brands to a theme park long considered the ultimate middle-income vacation destination.
Disney offered few details about the hotel, which would rise near an 18-hole golf course in the northeast sector of the resort. The Four Seasons would be the centerpiece of an as yet unnamed 900-acre development that would also include an assortment of luxury vacation homes.
these ain't the four seasons renderings though. these renderings are of the shopping/hotel development thats going up over on the west side of disney. just wanted to clarify.
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Not that this means anything, but I saw site work being done at the "Majesty" building today. Basically some trucks moving dirt around. It's probably just busy work.
I just reckon they'll have it done before I die...at some point...
"Jesus is coming back. LOOK BUSY!"
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Orlando ranked 4th for "Best City For Jobs" by Forbes.
http://money.aol.com/news/articles/_a/rale...S00010000000001
and of course they have some ancient pic of downtown.
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I'm sorry. I'm trying to be overly sarcastic, because I don't agree with what cloudship stated earlier. I'll get back to my yobs.
i'm with bulldogger on this one. cloudship, while your motives, i'm sure are golden, i think your perspective is off. i don't feel you have enough experience living there to get a grasp on what the people of orlando consider to be their city. the downtown, has always been a vibrant part of orlando life. sure, the night life has ebbed and flowed, but it has never just been a "bunch of taller buildings". the city you describe sounds like LA. and while orlando certainly has started to become sort of a "baby LA" due to the sprawl, i think its downtown has always maintained an important role as the center of town. perhaps the rest of the world thinks orlando's central figure is the attractions area, and thats just not true. if cambridge is not boston then, walt disney world is not orlando. nor is dr. phillips, nor is winter park. etc.
and to go back to the original topic. having an arena just on the other side of I-4 closer to church street is JUST what orlando needs to finally bridge the two sides of downtown, especially if it doens't have a huge parking moat.
from what you wrote in some of your earlier posts, IMHO it doesn't sound like you've even visited orlando at all, but perhaps only viewed it on google earth or something. not dissing you, just telling you how its coming across. i suggest an extended visit, a rental car and perhaps a hotel stay at the grand bohemian to show you how downtown actually is a vibrant central figure of orlando. perhaps in june or july when the plaza theater is open.
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They can just do a replica of SOHO or South Beach Art Deco district block by block and it will instantly become a hip place. After all, we are famous for building fake stuff and make it better than the origin. Have Disney design the block.
or better yet, have the creative artist themselves design the creative village on their little laptops.
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New arena "half-baked," says city commissioner
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/...-home-headlines
ok, you know what? its this kind of mindset that keeps orlando at bay when it comes to eventually becoming a real city, IMHO. if you go to a major city, one that has established sports facilities, people park and walk to the venue. thats just standard. and because of this, all of the area around the facility starts booming due to all the foot traffic. sports bars, restaurants, shops, cafe's, etc. what do they want, a friggin series of parking lots named after 7 dwarves for God's sake??? ...like walking three blocks from orange ave would be SOOOO difficult!!?
all of the sports venues that come to mind that have huge parking moats surrounding them were all built in an era when veunes were being built away from the city centers. now the venues are returning to where the action is. one of the worst things about the existing orlando arena is the huge sea of parking surrounding it. it makes it feel so far from urban to me. i just don't get their argument. talk about "WHINE and cheese"
but then again, isn't it off the beaten path? at least its not right on I-drive.
all of the sports venues that come to mind that have huge parking moats surrounding them were all built in an era when veunes were being built away from the city centers. now the venues are returning to where the action is. one of the worst things about the existing orlando arena is the huge sea of parking surrounding it. it makes it feel so far from urban to me. i just don't get their argument. talk about "WHINE and cheese"
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sweet. that would be a great place for another 400+. imagine how that cluster would look then.