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2 hours ago, smeagolsfree said:You have to remember there is more connectivity between there and downtown than there is between TSU and downtown. Two different animals. Geodis has more interstate connectivity as well, thus easier access. There is nothing easy about that area. If you think a CBA was hard for the Fairgrounds, just wait till they start negotiating the one for the Baseball stadium at that site.
I'm not arguing in favor of a stadium at TSU, but I think it's important to remember why there is such little connectivity to TSU and North Nashville in the first place and it seems (judging from press releases and media coverage) like the impetus in putting a stadium there and partnering with TSU is to redress the imbalance of investment, care, and attention paid to North Nashville
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Of course, the difference in those cities is that the urban fabric is much more robust and interconnected as opposed to fragmented and full of physical barriers like Nashville. There are real mobility options whereas we have cars and a hodgepodge of bike lanes where they can be put in with minimal effort and resources and minimal disruption to car throughput.
These actual destinations--ball parks--should be destination points for transit and it's too bad that we can't incorporate transit infrastructure into their conception and build out.
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38 minutes ago, titanhog said:
I just think placing a stadium over by TSU is shortsighted. Surely there’s a way to get it closer to the action downtown.
I totally understand the minority ownership deal…the tie to the Nashville Stars…etc…but there has to be a better location.
Just as a point of comparison, the distance (as the crow flies) from TSU to downtown (the Capitol) is 2.29 miles. The distance from Geodis to the Capitol is 2.68 miles. I think the issue is accessibility and Geodis offers a good test case for these kinds of facilities existing outside of downtown.
I think having these stadiums in different neighborhoods around the city is actually a cool thing and reminds me of how stadiums are integrated into older cities like Boston (Fenway) and Chicago (Wrigley) as well as cities in Europe, Latin America, and Asia
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Not sure if this is the right place for this, but I just found this excellent primer on why and how zoning ordinances are terrible and are the drivers of skyrocketing home prices and unaffordability.
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29 minutes ago, grilled_cheese said:
In some ways, it should, and it is also codified in the Constitution.
Being a native Nashvillian versus somebody who moved from another state? Are you serious? A citizen is a citizen
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19 hours ago, MidTenn1 said:Good for them!! I can't blame the concerned and native Nashvillians (not going to use the 'Nimby' slur) who want to preserve some of the original character of the 5 points neighborhood which has been and still is in many ways a town center for East Nashville and replace it with some crappy 12-South, cookie cutter, quasi boho, boring replica of every other neighborhood in the country that has a collection of original urban fabric buildings which have been replaced with some sad looking trees and some 8 story, soulless, unoriginal, night-time storage places for the 10's of thousands of code writing workers.
This neighborhood is a major part of what makes Nashville the Music City. It did have Woodland Studios on the corner, which would make an awesome museum and public performance hall but will probably be torn down if some have their way. The history of these studios.....
Let what will naturally happen, happen. If the neighborhood wants a gas station and someone wants to own one, let it happen. If someone wants to have surface parking, so be it. The only time the city should step in is to restrict the development of these ugly apartment complexes going up everywhere in these areas and preserve critical elements of Nashville character and legacy such as Woodland studios before it becomes an unoriginal, lazy-a** planning collection of brass and fern bars or some 15-story monster called the "Woodland' in yet another pathetic attempt by a developer to use cultural appropriation as instant 'cred'.
This is a beautiful place as it is. It is a welcome place for all of the diverse cultures of the city. If it offends anyone, they can go to 12-South or several places in the Nations. Mayor Cooper needs to keep his hands and his 'planners' hands off 5-Points.
Adios.
A few counter arguments:
The biggest source of revenue for Metro Nashville is property taxes. More valuable properties generate more revenue. Typically, denser developments with a greater variety of uses are the most valuable and generate the most revenue for the city. Therefore, it is in Metro’s interest that properties in desirable, high-value neighborhoods like the 5-points area generate more revenue.
Gas stations and surface lots don’t generate as much revenue for the city as denser, mixed-use development does.
Notice, I never said anything about forcing property owners to sell or redevelop their gas station or surface lots. I said, maybe a streetscape improvement would encourage the redevelopment of those underutilized properties.
I think we have a fundamental disagreement about cities. IMO, cities are engines for economic, cultural, and artistic development and progress. As economic drivers, they don’t remain the same, change is a constant factor in the lifespan of a healthy city.
NIMBYs desire to keep things the way they are in order to maximize the value of their personal property. They see change, increased density, renters, etc., as elements that will lower the value of their property (with little to no evidence to support this view). Furthermore, NIMBYs, have outsize influence in shaping or outright preventing the development and redevelopment of properties that they do not own. Because you own an expensive house down the block, you get to prevent a landowner from building on a separate property within the limits of the current zoning? The role of government is not to maximize the value of assets belonging to certain constituents but to provide for the material well being of all its citizens.
In my view, phrases like "preserving the character of the area", have more to do with fossilizing the city into a kind of living museum or tribute to the past as opposed to a dynamic place full of opportunities in which current residents can thrive. Possibly, those who wish to see the city stay the same are doing it out of a genuine sense of nostalgia, but more often, it's a tactic NIMBYs utilize to pull up the ladder after they've gotten theirs.
I’m not sure what the current status of Woodland Studios is, but if the owners want to turn it into a museum, then so be it. I never argued that that might not be a good utilization of the building. However, if the current owners want to turn it into a hipster bowling alley and call it Woodland Pins or whatever because they think it would make a lot more money, then… so?
Your last point seems to indicate that you’re for development as long as it’s development that you approve of and that Metro should only intervene in the built environment to prevent development that you don’t like. Is that correct?
Last thing, being "native" doesn't confer greater rights than those of any other citizen.
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4 hours ago, BnaBreaker said:Looks great! I really wish the city would invest in sprucing up that Five Points intersection. It has the potential to be a real focal point for that part of the city, and sometimes is hyped and talked about in such a way, but as it stands right now it's really kind of junky looking in my opinion.
Yeah, there is so much surface parking fronting that intersection plus a gas station. With those current uses, Metro would have to come up with some magical streetscaping to make it appealing. But if they did, maybe it would spur some investment in the underutilized lots. Although, I seem to remember that NIMBYs are strong in the 5-Points area and tend to fight anything more than two-stories and reductions in surface parking.
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1 hour ago, rolly said:
Even the 23 story buildings are cool in NYC. A few setbacks keep it from just being a box.
Yeah, it's three boxes
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1 hour ago, BNAfan said:One?
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10 minutes ago, jkc2j said:
In my opinion it’s all about giving people options. Not everyone wants to live in a multifamily development. Like it or not, single family homes aren’t going anywhere anytime soon. Why not allow more single family homes in these areas (planned of course) to capture those whom would otherwise move to Rutherford, Wilson or Williamson counties thereby creating even more sprawl further outside the core.
A similar argument tends to be made when discussing mass transit vs expanding roads. There’s room for both, as we know most people aren’t willing to give up their cars. There’s room for both multi family developments in the core neighborhoods and a single family homes in Davidson County.
Exactly my point. Since WW2, the only option in 98% of the country has been single family housing. Multi-family and mixed-use options are illegal in most areas throughout Davidson (and throughout the U.S.). Therefore, there is no "option." It's single family or nothing. In order to provide "options," we must prioritize, or even make possible, multi-family zoning
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Considering that it is fiscally unsustainable to finance sprawling development, why should Nashville rush to facilitate the development of Northwest Davidson County? I think Metro should prioritize development within the current UZO. Is there any neighborhood within the current UZO boundaries that anyone could consider overcrowded or fully developed?
Is more single-family housing needed? When it represents the overwhelming vast majority of the available housing stock within the county? Wouldn't it be better to build multi-family housing so that the people who prefer to live in denser urban environments actually have that option?
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7 minutes ago, BNAfan said:
Saw a NDOT bike lane street sweeper in the wild today.
I think they only have the one. Poor thing is going to be worn out quick
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I know the photo doesn't show much new or exciting, but I had a gig yesterday photographing and filming a section of Luke's 32 Bridge so I thought I'd share an image I took of the Broadway entrance. BTW, it's like 5 or 6 floors of eating, drinking, wall-to-wall TV watching, live music hosting, rooftop shouting and NFL Draft Day/Preds deep playoff run viewing debauchery... you know, a standard Broadway venue. They comped me breakfast at the Sun Diner. It's pretty decent. Kind of a Memphis Sun Records-themed Waffle House.
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2 hours ago, smeagolsfree said:
Great Shots!
Just be careful and don't wonder across that border to the north!
It's the most heavily militarized border in the world! Solid Snake couldn't infiltrate that border!
South Korea is amazing. I hope you get to take lots of photos in Seoul. I haven't been there in more than 10 years. I can't imagine how it's changed
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22 hours ago, VSRJ said:
They all have one thing in common — they're made of popsicle sticks, guitar strings and broken dreams... Having seen what many of these cookie-cutter apartment buildings look like on the inside after 5-6 years, I don't know if many of them will live to see 10-15 more years. The cheap, lousy construction plus the wear-and-tear from young renters with little respect for upkeep doesn't bode well for their longevity.
At least the ones pictured above have some redeeming qualities to them. Haven is an embarrassment.
East Nashville Suites has redeeming qualities? What are they?
Bristol on Broadway is another candidate I forgot. Bristol has been a repeat bad taste development offender
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The Haven might be singled out for its high visibility, but Nashville doesn't often get the best effort from developers since the urban building boom started back in 2005 ish. Here's a couple greatest hits that I could think of off the top of my head.
^ Oh, and the Westin!
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17 minutes ago, natethegreat said:
I’m not hating on New Orleans, I like the city (outside of the god awful humidity). I was just shocked, after being in Nashville past few years, how drastically little growth there seemed to be. No cranes, new buildings. There’s a weird dichotomy in the South, where some cities (Austin, Nashville, Charlotte) have boomed, while others have receded (Memphis, New Orleans, Birmingham). Seems linked to crime somewhat.
Yes. Very weird. Must be the crime. Just like North Nashville is too crimey for a baseball stadium.
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16 hours ago, Bos2Nash said:
Interesting article about Sycamore Institute study on a new stadium. The actual study isn’t referenced, but the article states the article reinforces many of the claims that the stadium doesn’t have near the economic impact as many claim it does. Also questions figures released by the NCVC and the impact of hosting FIFA and Final Four.
Here's a link to the study if anybody wants to dive deep...
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1 hour ago, Baronakim said:Why bother saving this? This is a piece of junk of no architectural significance of beauty and dubious historic value IMO. This would have been better suited as part of an urban park all the way down the hill to the riverbanks. Really, do we need more housing on Rolling Mill Hill?
We need more housing everywhere... Why not more on Rolling Mill Hill?
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12 hours ago, markhollin said:
Work underway on creating new 12th Ave. South with two primary lanes, central median with greenery, and bike lanes in both directions. The mile long stretch will run from The Gulch (Division St.) southward to Ashwood Ave.
I was shocked to see how fast this has gotten underway. I'm excited to see how this turns out.
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12 hours ago, smeagolsfree said:
You have to flatten out all of the hills and then convince the folks that live there to allow any kind of development. I don't think either one will happen. There is one 300-acre parcel right off of Briley at Ashland City Hwy the owners have been trying to get rezoned from agriculture A2 to anything other than that and Metro is not considering a change. The owners can't even sale the property and it is pretty much useless as farmland as well because of the terrain. The area neighbors are always raising a stink about any development even though this is right across from the landfill and several other industrial sites. This is Metro at its best!
It is Metro at its best. Sprawling development is fiscally unsustainable. Low density development does not provide the tax base to support its own infrastructure, requiring a subsidy from more tax productive areas of town. Nashville should be trying to contain growth within areas of existing infrastructure that can support dense development.
Also, there are numerous residential developments in the vicinity of Briley and Ashland City HWY currently underway...
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Came across an interesting article and op-ed touching on issues pertinent to this thread that I thought I'd share. One's on reducing parking (with references to Donald Shoup--super important) and one's a deep dive into pedestrian deaths and systemic problems with car infrastructure
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-local-correspondents/when-cars-kill-pedestrians
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/02/opinion/california-parking.html?searchResultPosition=1
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39 minutes ago, chris holman said:
Protected bike lanes!
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2 hours ago, Baronakim said:
Kind od\f a dodgey location. TThere is huge and naty homeless encampment just beyond the left photo under the interstate "Y". Very dangerous area..
STR will fit right in
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Economic Conditions - Nashville, TN, U.S., Global
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What a coincidence. More great reading material on zoning and how it broke cities