[Nashville Yards, 15 acres/4 million sq. ft./ $1 billion, Phase I: Grand Hyatt Hotel (25 stories), Phase II: Amazon (26 & 22 stories), Phase III: AEG District (4 K theater, 34 & 35 story apts); Phase IV: Pinnacle Tower (35 stories), Amazon 3 (43)]

In a way Nashville is fortunate. At least Peabody Union and most of Nashville Yards' towers got started before the dung hit the fan.

[River North, 105-acre Cowan Street corridor, Phase One: five 4-7 stories, 650 residences, 85 K sq. ft. retail, 50 K sq. ft. office, mile long riverfront park; Phase Two: two 12 story office buildings, pedestrian bridge across river]

IF things ever get prosperous again and that's a supersized IF, Nashville will be an afterthought to the developers. They will have moved on to the next "happening" city. If Nashville is lucky a 90s type development pattern might happen (AT T). If Nashville is very lucky a 00s type development pattern might happen (Viridian, Pinnacle).

There will be no more 10s type development patterns happening ever again.

[River North, 105-acre Cowan Street corridor, Phase One: five 4-7 stories, 650 residences, 85 K sq. ft. retail, 50 K sq. ft. office, mile long riverfront park; Phase Two: two 12 story office buildings, pedestrian bridge across river]

The corps see what's going on with inflation, high interest rates, the dollar no longer being the world's currency, the bank insolvencies, the corporate layoffs. It's a good thing the adults are in the room so they can fix this.

[ONE22ONE, 25 stories, 356', 357,000 sq. ft. office space, 6,700 q. ft. ground floor retail]

On 5/26/2023 at 8:27 AM, Jarno6006 said:

I know this has been said many times, but even though I love this building, it's hard to believe how much more impact it would have had with addition helghth.  Even 5 more floors would have made it stand out in that area., but 10 or 15 more and it could have been a crown jewel.

And that would be 5 to 15 more floors they would have to pay for with high interest rates with bleak prospects of obtaining tenants. This isn't monopoly money these development firms are borrowing.

[New Titans Stadium (60,000 capacity dome, ground level retail, directly east of Nissan Stadium)]

3 hours ago, nashvylle said:

@Bos2Nash @andywildman added my thoughts in bold 

If that's the case then why has the city been attracting outdoor concerts? Why has any city outside of California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, and Utah been getting outdoor concerts?

[New Titans Stadium (60,000 capacity dome, ground level retail, directly east of Nissan Stadium)]

On 5/8/2023 at 7:01 AM, Luvemtall said:

Last night was proof positive, the need for a new covered venue! Don’t matter if you like certain entertainers or not, or if you’re a football fan or not. Those who attended last nights concert, shouldn’t have had that experience! PERIOD! 4 hours couped up in the confines of shelter. It’s not even the crazy price of admission , but no one should have to be uncomfortable and inconvenienced because of weather conditions like that. There were many children who attended, that ended up having to stay up way past midnight who by that time were probably unable to enjoy the show , because of being tired. It’s exactly the reason that Nashville needs the new stadium venue. 

Do you realize how this looks. Seriously.

Yeah, a bunch of concert goers got rained on and you hilariously make it out to be the worst thing that has ever happened and the most important issue the city has ever faced. Get real.

[Project Thread/New Construction/Photo du jour/Const. CAMs]

Man this economy is really messing things in Nashville up. The inflation, the interest rates, the banking system. etc, etc. What a dumpster fire.

[Project Thread/New Construction/Photo du jour/Const. CAMs]

500 2nd Ave South is dead? Wha?

[New Tennessee Performing Arts Center (TPAC), $600 million, 3,200 seats, 1,500 seats, 500 seats, East Bank at base of Seigenthaler Pedestrian Bridge]

1 hour ago, smeagolsfree said:

I stated this at the meet and that is if they build TPAC on the East Bank then Modernism, but if the build it on the Bicentennial Mall, then Classical architecture. I think it depends on where the structure is going to be and what other building will be around it.

Then it should go on the East Bank. Enough with the old timey concrete. We want fancy glass structures.

[New Tennessee Performing Arts Center (TPAC), $600 million, 3,200 seats, 1,500 seats, 500 seats, East Bank at base of Seigenthaler Pedestrian Bridge]

45 minutes ago, Nash_12South said:

I see all the positives of placing a new TPAC on the east bank. But I'd hate to see a prominent spot tied to a massive structure that is rarely used M-F and then mainly in the evenings. I'd rather see the riverfront alive, 24-7, with shops, restaurants, limited office space, and lots of housing. Ascend is very well done, on the river and unused 6 months out of the year and during warmer months almost entirely used in the evenings, with the exception of dog walkers.  I could see possibly placing a new TPAC directly across from Ascend in the space between the Shelby pedestrian bridge and Korean Vet's.  One spot that crossed my mind is the Walk of Fame Plaza across from the Hall of fame and between the Schermerhorn and the Arena. I know it's not remotely likely but it would be in the heart of things and potentially have parking underneath. 

TPAC is not rarely used. It has events 7 days a week across 4 different venues.

[Nashville Bits and Pieces]

23 minutes ago, glamdring269 said:

I heard the Taylor Swift Sunday show got significantly delayed due to rain. Didn’t start until 10pm or so and still did her entire set.

This made me wonder if there isn’t a noise ordinance restriction that applies to the stadium. I know (or thought I knew) that Ascend has to stop by a certain time. I was actually at a music festival in Atlanta over the weekend and they turned the sound off their Fri night headliner right at 11pm.

Not a big deal just curious and I’m glad that those who have been pumped for that show got to see it.

Doubt it. Nashville doesn't turn into a ghost town at night like Atlanta.

[Rebuilding Second Avenue]

6 minutes ago, FromParkAveToTN said:

I LOVE outdoor dining.  One of my favorite things to do when I'm in Rome or Paris.

I do too. I like to dine outdoors wearing a sweater tied over my back.

[Inner Loop - CBD, Downtown, East Bank, Germantown, Gulch, Rutledge]

9 hours ago, markhollin said:

Bottled Blonde (5 story entertainment bar) update: digging underway.

Looking south from Broadway, 1/3 block west of 2nd Ave:

Wha... Whaa?

There are so many.

Whaaa?

[Circle South, 30 story/443'/535,000 sq. ft. office tower; 19 story/239'/261 residential tower; 2.6 acres at Lafayette and 8th Ave. South]

Then I was right. It is a two or three year infrastructure project.

[Circle South, 30 story/443'/535,000 sq. ft. office tower; 19 story/239'/261 residential tower; 2.6 acres at Lafayette and 8th Ave. South]

What does this mean. Would they need all of those construction vehicles for one building or is that site going to be used as a staging area for other developments.

[IKEA to Nashville]

On 1/9/2022 at 10:51 AM, Licec said:

Well when I need to get my IKEA fix I drive 3 hours to Memphis. I prefer to have a shorter trip and I find the service at that store is far superior. I've had many exquisite luncheons there. I often wear my sweater tied behind my back when I have the delectable Soup, Salad, and Sandwich lunch.

I didn't know that Memphis had a store. Great to hear. You're right about the shorter trip. 

[Politics Thread]

26 minutes ago, samsonh said:

There was a chart that you must have missed, that is pretty easy to interpret if you follow national politics at all. There as also a link to a BEA page that you must not have clicked that detailed economic growth in large, medium, and small counties respectively. I mean, it is in the  first line of the post, lol. 

 

Here is a nice primer on rural demographic trends: https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/publications/105155/eib-246.pdf?v=7574.3

 

First paragraph: The overall decline in population growth and increase in average age in rural areas affect the makeup and availability of the rural labor force. In 2021, people 65 years and older made up more than 20 percent of the nonmetro population for the first time in U.S. census history, up from 16 percent in 2010. In metro areas, just 16 percent of the population was 65 and older in 2021. During the 2010–20 decade, the nonmetro working-age population declined by 4.9 percent and the population under age 18 declined by 5.7 percent, while the population 65 years and older grew by 22 percent. The working-age population continued increasing in metro areas during the 2010s, although at a much lower rate than for adults aged 65 and older

 

I do hope the population growth that happened in 2021 continues for rural areas. I have trouble believing this is a trend and not a blip. Time will tell. 

 

I have pointed you in the proper direction. You can do a little work. Just a little interest in demographics or trends would tell you this is true. 

 

If you are interested in monthly tax collections by county to see how much urban areas in TN outperform per capita you can go here: https://www.tn.gov/revenue/tax-resources/tax-collections-information/monthly-fiscal-year-collections.html

 

I will not do the math for you but if you know how to use excel it is a fairly simple VLOOKUP. 

 

Hope that helps!

Stop running from the question.

Give us the demographics and their corresponding politics. Support your argument.

[Politics Thread]

On 4/7/2023 at 4:24 PM, samsonh said:

Armacing: I know you will hate to hear this: California’s economy crushes ours. They carry the US, and rural counties are dragging us down. https://www.bea.gov/sites/default/files/2022-12/lagdp1222.pdf

I travel often through rural TN, it is not going well in those areas. No jobs, no hope. As to the surrounding counties: I encourage you to check traffic coming into the city in the mornings from all directions. Nashville has the jobs and culture, and people commute in. This is reflected in tax receipts( we went over this once before and you misread and misinterpreted the data, lol).

 

Finally: let’s take a look at this graphic. Policy choices have an impact on lives.

Why don't you provide some form of data and analysis. This isn't fifth grade. Let's try to be intellectual in an adult scientific fashion. Where's the detail? Give us the demographics and their corresponding politics. Support your argument.

[Rise East Nashville/800 Main (2 - 10 stories, 376 apts., 50,540 sq. ft. office, 46,210 sq. ft. retail, 316 capacity garage, one acre outdoor space)]

40,000 square feet of retail.

Woo!

[Nashville Yards, 15 acres/4 million sq. ft./ $1 billion, Phase I: Grand Hyatt Hotel (25 stories), Phase II: Amazon (26 & 22 stories), Phase III: AEG District (4 K theater, 34 & 35 story apts); Phase IV: Pinnacle Tower (35 stories), Amazon 3 (43)]

2 hours ago, smeagolsfree said:

Speaking of Nashville Yards number four on the DTC DRC agenda here is NY related. This is the mixed-use building under construction. Looks as if they are reducing the height by one floor.

DTC-DRC-230406a.pdf (nashville.gov)

 

All of the other items on the agenda are nothing of real import other than a few tweaks, signage and such.

Hopefully it's a floor of office they're getting rid of. The entertainment, dining, retail and recreation are of much more import.

[Project Thread/New Construction/Photo du jour/Const. CAMs]

On 3/16/2023 at 4:50 AM, markhollin said:

TBT: Aug 7, 1961 Municipal Auditorium and Metro Manor Apts. under construction.
 

Wow crane technology has improved.

[Circle South, 30 story/443'/535,000 sq. ft. office tower; 19 story/239'/261 residential tower; 2.6 acres at Lafayette and 8th Ave. South]

40 minutes ago, MLBrumby said:

The project was announced 7 years ago. Sorry to crack the fantasy some may still have that this project will actually happen. 

Where's the link to this.

[Circle South, 30 story/443'/535,000 sq. ft. office tower; 19 story/239'/261 residential tower; 2.6 acres at Lafayette and 8th Ave. South]

1 hour ago, MLBrumby said:

Beginning to think Circle South is someone's fantasy "project". 

Well what do you want them to do. Spend 3 - 4 hundred million dollars on a building with no tenant signed.

That's fantasy on your part.

[Marriott Tri-Brand, 21 Stories, 486 Rooms, $137 million]

1 hour ago, DDIG said:

Good luck enforcing a strict dress code being located in a hotel in downtown Nashville 

What are you talking about? 

House of Cards and Supper Club have enforced dress codes so why would this place be any different because it's in a hotel.

[Nashville Yards, 15 acres/4 million sq. ft./ $1 billion, Phase I: Grand Hyatt Hotel (25 stories), Phase II: Amazon (26 & 22 stories), Phase III: AEG District (4 K theater, 34 & 35 story apts); Phase IV: Pinnacle Tower (35 stories), Amazon 3 (43)]

9 hours ago, BnaBreaker said:

Yeah, I'm not really sure how someone can scroll past multiple photos of our skyline with 40 tower cranes on it and proceed to make a post about how 'the economy is in shambles.'  

Yeah that's good for the billionaire developer class and the other oligarchs. However most people can't afford the crushing inflation and interest rates.