[Carolina Panthers Facilities]

2 hours ago, KJHburg said:

Here is the financing scenario for the new Nashville Tennessee Titans stadium plan.  It is just interesting to see what they are doing there:

Total Price $2.1 BILLION  seating 60,000 

State of TN   $500 Million 

Titans contributing $840 Million through PSL licenses among other things

NFL  approved $200 Million in loans and grants from its G4 Stadium Program

Remaining $760 Million funded locally by the city/county through additional 1% hotel tax and new sales taxes around the stadium.

Currently their hotel tax is 15.25% so this would make it 16.25%    (at some point this will cause groups to look elsewhere as their hotel rates are already higher than Charlotte")

source Nashville Business Journal  

 

 

I've said this before - $1.26 BILLION from government for a football stadium, but yet they can't fund a transit measure. It sickens me how backwards the priorities are.

Charlotte, don't do this to yourself... 

[Traffic Congestion and Highway Construction]

1 hour ago, tarhoosier said:

It is not the lights but the increased traffic that causes the delay?

Well, it's both. The traffic is so heavy that the normal cycle of the light is not long enough to process all of the traffic passing through. This eventually causes backups at each light that are multiple miles long. The Rockingham bypass will fix this issue by bypassing the choke point (at least in that spot - the other problematic traffic lights will remain).

Tangential, but the summer traffic really is something to behold. I-73/74 is like a funnel collecting traffic from many northern states and delivering it to the beaches between Wilmington and Myrtle. A summer Saturday feels like rush hour, and NC plates are greatly outnumbered by those from Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

[Traffic Congestion and Highway Construction]

15 minutes ago, tozmervo said:

TBH this particular project has always struck me as a colossal waste of money. $300 million dollars for about 6 miles of road and save like, I dunno, 3 minutes of travel time? I count 3 traffic lights on 220 through Rockingham for the same trip.

I’m not normally one to defend a road project, but this particular project does complete a missing link in the I-73/74 route.

And I can say from  personal experience that on a summer Saturday with beach traffic, those lights in Rockingham (plus the single light in Laurel Hill) cause 30-45 minutes of delay.

[2035 Triangle Regional Transit Vision Plan]

17 hours ago, kermit said:

The estimated cost of Durham-Garner commuter rail has swelled by an additional $1 billion (to $3 million). Folks are getting cold feet and invoking the DOLRT disaster.

I don't really see how costs can reach this level when running on existing tracks on a state owned railroad but...

https://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2022/12/05/triangle-commuter-rail-raleigh-durham-costs-plant.html

Just build the damn system. The Triangle is going to choke on traffic, these costs are nothing in comparison to the expense of the no-build option.

This is depressing, frankly. I would love to read more details about just what the $3B would include. As you said, it shouldn't be this hard to run trains on existing tracks that the state owns.

The article mentioned that "freight railroad demands" were one of the reasons for the ballooning costs. As I see it, Norfolk Southern has proven itself to be a bad faith actor in all things pertaining to passenger railroading (of course, this is par for the course for the Class Is). IMO, the state should explore all options for breaking the lease of the NCRR to NS at the next renewal period in 2029, if not sooner. If this is not possible, then rail advocates need to circle 2044 (when the current NCRR lease agreement reaches the end of its final option period) as the date to tell NS to pound sand and remove the albatross that stymies passenger rail expansion in this state.

[Charlotte/Raleigh Highrise Building Booms]

22 hours ago, carolina1792 said:

Another Raleigh mid-rise project potentially moving forward. City of Raleigh RFP'ed a mostly underused downtown city block for redevelopment. About 4 proposals were submitted.  All proposals included affordable housing and entertainment amenities/retail. 

The City of Raleigh just voted to move forward with the project below. The scope and renders may change*. 590 apartment units (160 to 190 will be marketed as affordable housing), 135 room hotel, 22,000 sq. ft. grocery store anchor, retail space, Raleigh Rescue Mission will get a new home on-site. 

The 30-story VeLa Longview tower is being built nearby so it won't be out of character to build a tower here. 

That's a nice mountain range in the background - I hadn't noticed that on my previous visits to Raleigh...

[Charlotte's Light Rail: Lynx Blue Line]

3 hours ago, LKN704 said:

You don’t necessarily need platform doors (PSDs) for ATO. 

Granted there are different Grades of Automation (GoA), but the SkyTrain in Vancouver( the highest grade, GoA 4)  is fully automated and runs unattended without PSDs. Other systems are capable of fully automated, unmanned operation without PSDs but still run with attendants onboard…the DC Metro comes to mind. The capability for the Metro to run between termini without an attendant onboard has been demonstrated in the past…I think an attendant may be necessary to turn trains at their terminus, however.

There are light rail systems that operate in ATO (Muni Metro in SF, Ottawa, the new Crosstown Line in Toronto) but only in their grade separated, underground sections. 

It would be a pointless, colossal expenditure for CATS to buy new vehicles (I doubt the S70 Avantos are capable of GoA 4, maybe just basic ATO) and fully eliminate all crossings for the purpose of unmanned ATO. 

That said, I think outside of Chicago, NY, Boston, and Cleveland, I think most heavy rail systems in the US will likely move towards GoA 4 (unmanned) operation at one point in the future. BART is installing CBTC at present, and IIRC plans to install PSDs. The DC Metro has a team of working on the procurement of a CBTC system as we speak, and the GM has publicly stated he is interested in moving towards full automation and adding PSDs. Granted CBTC/PSDs aren’t necessary for full automation, but certainly make the transition easier. 

Thanks for the info! What I am wondering, though, is if advances in autonomous driving technology in the future could allow for the implementation of automatic train operation without the need to upgrade infrastructure through grade separation, platform screens etc. I am skeptical that we will see fully autonomous cars in urban areas anytime soon. However, an LRT line, even with at-grade vehicle and pedestrian crossings, is a less complex environment than a busy downtown street. Could the technology currently being developed for cars be applied to trains to allow a far broader implementation of automatic operation?

[Charlotte's Light Rail: Lynx Blue Line]

I wonder if at some point, the technology that is being developed for autonomous cars will be useful for a transit application such as the Blue Line? Driverless train operation is already a thing, but only on systems which are fully grade separated and have devices such as platform screen doors to seal people off from the guideway. An LRT line is a much more complex environment due to the many grade and pedestrian crossings, but at the same time I'd have to think it is a more predictable environment than a car operating on city streets. Automatic train operation would eliminate driver shortage as a barrier to increased frequency.

[Learning from Other Places]

"Emergent Tokyo" is a fascinating book - I learned a lot from it. I think there are a lot of lessons that can be applied to our cities, even if the end result doesn't look like Tokyo. One thing that stood out to me was how small so many of the building parcels are there. They have minimal regulations on lot size, setbacks, and lot frontage. Many plots of land have been subdivided  over and over again, resulting in an incredibly fine grain of pedestrian-oriented alleys and buildings. It's a stark contrast to how much land is wasted in American cities on pointless setbacks and buffers. I actually think that subdivision could be a great model for densifying our cities. What if, instead of building bigger buildings, we built a bunch of small buildings on the leftover spaces in our cities? New networks of rear lanes and alleys could provide the access for development of underutilized backyards, without the dramatic change to existing streetscapes in the current paradigm of teardowns.

[CATS Long Term Transit Plan - Silver, Red Lines]

1 hour ago, kayman said:

I believe your confusing light rail with street car. Those are two different modes. Light rail to function as a useful service in this region should be grade separated with its own right-of-way. 

We already have a streetcar (Gold Line) but the Silver Line does not need to be a streetcar service in Uptown Charlotte.  Interlining is just going to be a waste of time and resources. As the reliability of the service will be dependent of the interaction with cars, cyclists,  and pedestrians at intersections on increasingly congested streets.  That's not a reliable nor useful transit mode. We're not Denver, Salt Lake, Portland, nor Sacramento, where they're are in states more willing to offer supplemental passenger rail and commuter rail services that allows such inefficiencies.  

The LYNX Silver Line should be grade separated throughout the region and be both a rapid rail with local service in areas of Uptown, other dense urban neighborhoods along the adopted locally preferred alternative.

The mobility hubs along the alignment and elsewhere in the CATS service area would provide direct connections to other transit modes. 

No, I am not confused about the distinction between LRT and streetcar. What you are describing are different types of service patterns - local urban service and rapid, longer-distance regional service. I am in agreement with you about the need for both. You are right that the rapid regional service needs to have a fully, or nearly so, grade-separated route. My point is that route already exists *right now*, it serves basically the same destinations as the proposed Silver Line, and it could be acquired for far less cost than the proposed solution of building a redundant and incompatible LRT line. There is no technical reason why you couldn't run trains every 15 minutes or less on mainline rail. It is done all over the world. A new LRT alignment should serve areas that currently do not have access to a rail line.

[Charlotte's Light Rail: Lynx Blue Line]

3 minutes ago, asthasr said:

Took the blue line from I-485 to Uptown today to have lunch with my lovely wife, for the first time in years. A few observations:

You had lunch with your wife for the first time in years?

[CATS Long Term Transit Plan - Silver, Red Lines]

44 minutes ago, 49er said:

CSX would just be a repeat of the Norfolk Southern red line mess. Those tracks to Matthews are pretty heavily used. I'm not bothered by the 26 mile length as very few people would actually ride from Union County to Belmont. In reality, we're probably going to get a phase a from somewhere in Matthews to the Panthers stadium., which I'm totally fine with. 

I'm no expert on the freight railroads, but CSX does have a recent track record of selling lines outright to governments. You don't have to look any further than Virginia, which bought 223 miles of track and 384 miles of right of way from CSX last year for $525 million.

https://www.railwayage.com/passenger/csx-starts-sale-for-virginias-3-7b-rail-initiative/

The line through Charlotte may have decent traffic, but it is a secondary part of their network, and besides I'm sure that any deal would involve them retaining trackage rights. 

[CATS Long Term Transit Plan - Silver, Red Lines]

2 hours ago, kayman said:

The Silver Line needs to be totally grade separated and not interlinked with the Gold Line. The need of the Silver Line is a rapid rail link from west to east across the metro. The currently adopted locally preferred option makes the most sense for safety reasons and ability to activate more parts of Uptown beyond the Trade Street corridor and the current Blue Line trail transit corridor. 

FYI, imagine the amount of delays with the Tryon Street and Trade Street intersection. On a normal Friday, Saturday, Sunday night, Tryon is congested and current drivers will sit on the tracks in their cars to make the intersection because of the lower frequency of the Gold Line. Two lines on Trade would be disastrous and begging for more collisions 

 

 

Yes, rapid east-west rail is needed. But a 26 mile LRT system is not the way to do it. There are existing tracks that already go from downtown Matthews to the airport, via Gateway Station. As in, you could literally run a train on that routing today. The LRT mode is better suited for a more local service pattern anyway - its strong suits are the ability to have street running and fairly minimal stations that fit well in an urban environment.

I'll keep banging this drum - express regional service should be mainline rail. Buy out CSX from Monroe to Bostic, build dedicated passenger tracks alongside NS from Gateway to CLT (bonus: these could be used to extend the Piedmonts to the airport), and truncate Silver Line LRT to be focused on local urban service that doesn't duplicate existing rail rights of way. All of that could likely be done for less money than the cost of the current plan.

[Carolina Panthers Facilities]

19 hours ago, SouthEndCLT811 said:

Cool renderings of the Titans proposed new stadium and sign of things to come if Tepper buys the Pipe & Foundry site

https://www.tennesseetitans.com/new-stadium/experience

This is a very interesting design from an architectural perspective. It looks very "urban" and designed to be a part of a cityscape, rather than the typical convention of the stadium as a stand-alone sculptural object. I really like it from the design point of view.

That said, I think it is a disgrace that this project is proceeding. First, the existing stadium is less than 25 years old. To tear it down is incredibly wasteful of the materials and resources that went into its construction. Stadiums can easily last 100+ years if properly maintained and periodically modernized - just look at many of the classic college stadiums. Second, although the Titans are putting in $800 million towards a new stadium, that still leaves the governments on the hook for $1.4 billion plus. That is a shockingly large sum of money to spend on a venue that, even in a wildly optimistic scenario, would be dormant more frequently than it would host an event. This, in a fast-growing region that just rejected a transit referendum, ostensibly over cost concerns. It's a shameful reflection of political priorities.

I hope Charlotte doesn't go down the same path. Bank of America Stadium is a modern classic IMO, and could easily stay in service for a long time. More importantly, the region should be using its limited resources on projects that bring a daily benefit to all of its citizens, rather than subsidizing a billionaire's vanity project.  

[Cap over Belk Freeway (277)]

8 minutes ago, RANYC said:

"Lives lived behind windshields instead of on sidewalks or trains."

My favorite line from the article.  

I agree - it perfectly captures my entire life experience living in a thoroughly suburbanized city. A very poignant description of the social capital that has been squandered and destroyed for generations of Americans.

[Charlotte/Raleigh Highrise Building Booms]

14 hours ago, KJHburg said:

Parking podiums like this are like the mom jeans of architecture:

Why would you choose to draw attention to an unflattering area instead of hiding it? But then again, mom jeans are inexplicably in style right now, just like these accentuated parking podiums. Coincidence???

But in all seriousness, that Raleigh project is really nice, and a good use of an irregular and relatively small site.

[Traffic Congestion and Highway Construction]

1 hour ago, Reverie39 said:

I'm curious about the last claim. We discussed earlier this week that Charlotte's busiest freeways can see something like 180,000 cars a day. Presumably that amounts to over 200,000 people. Is it really possible for a single commuter rail line that follows, say, I-77 to carry more than a hundred thousand people into the city and then back again every day?

I'll admit that I made that claim off the cuff, but I do think that math can back it up. A single freeway lane has a maximum capacity of about 2200-2300 vehicles per hour. If we generously assume an average of 2 occupants per vehicle (I would guess that a more accurate number is 1.25-1.5), that means a single freeway lane moves around 4500 people per hour at maximum capacity. For the purpose of this discussion, I think it's fair to consider the maximum theoretical capacity of a rail line, rather than a more realistic assumption of what level of service would actually be run. I'd imagine a using a railcar similar to the Silverliner V used by SEPTA in Philly and RTD in Denver for their electrified regional rail operations. Wikipedia lists the capacity for each 25 meter railcar as around 100 people. So an 8-car train (which admittedly is on the long side, but that's one of the advantages of trains - you can easily increase capacity by adding cars) would hold 800 people. Running a train every 5 minutes (12 tph) would therefore move 9600 people per hour, or at least 2 freeway lanes' worth. And that's not the maximum capacity of the railway - you could run even longer trains, you could run more trains (could probably manage up to 20-24 tph per direction on a dedicated 2-track railway), plus the crush load capacity of the train is probably at least 1.5x the listed capacity. So, I don't think it's unrealistic to say that a 2-track railway could move as many people at peak capacity as an 8-lane freeway, on a footprint that is at most 1/3 of the width of the freeway.

And yes, a Rock Hill regional rail service would not look like what I described above. But that doesn't change the geometric and mathematic realities that make railways superior at moving large volumes of people. 75 years of auto-oriented land use and transportation planning, plus American ignorance of global best practices in railways, means that Rock Hill regional rail would have a much lower ceiling. That still doesn't mean that freeway widening solves any problems - it just pushes the inevitable reckoning out by another generation.

[Traffic Congestion and Highway Construction]

21 minutes ago, kermit said:

So the current estimate for I-77 widening from the state line to the Brookshire is $2.1 billion (at the moment, seems fair to expect that estimate to double). This would almost certainly pay for commuter rail to Rock Hill (and possibly a blue line extension to Pineville).  As a bonus, rail would not  get immediately  congested due to traffic generation.

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/transportation-planning-group-gets-cost-estimate-expanding-i-77/QEIIPZGNUBCXTOFSVEILOQN5VQ/

Thank you - this is the context that is usually missing when people have sticker shock over transit projects. The alternatives are not free. And you’re right - for the the same price, Charlotte can have:

- a project that perpetuates auto dependence, fuels exurban sprawl (and not even in NC - it would be SC seeing the growth!), and would end up every bit as congested as the current facility within 10 years of opening, OR

- a project that would facilitate additional, more walkable development in areas that can leverage existing infrastructure, and that could move a greater number of people overall when operated at maximum capacity.

So tell me again, why is this even a question?

[North Carolina Intercity Rail Transit]

Random thoughts from onboard Piedmont train 77 this afternoon:

• There must have been at least 100 people who boarded at Raleigh - probably closer to 150. We could absolutely support all-day hourly frequencies on this route, right now. Let your representatives know that we need this mobility option. NCDOT's current plans are not ambitious enough and are taking way too long to implement. This needs to change.
• Amtrak's boarding practices are extremely archaic and inefficient. Coupled with the lack of level boarding at all stations, they are a real obstacle to on-time performance and overall running time, especially when the train is busy.
• I love the new Raleigh station, but the platform access is so convoluted. I could have saved 10 minutes of walking if I could have just directly accessed the platform from Cabarrus Street.
• There are still a lot of slow curves and grade crossings between Raleigh and Greensboro. It's kind of like if you had to drive US 70 between those two cities. We need a rail I-40.

[CATS Long Term Transit Plan - Silver, Red Lines]

17 hours ago, kermit said:

I agree, focus energy on the urban core. The downside to this approach is I doubt anything west of the airport ever gets built. There is not much beyond the airport in Mecklenburg and Belmont (on 74) is a pretty blah terminal location. It would be 5-6 miles for not much ridership. Having said that, it makes much more sense to serve Gaston County with commuter rail rather than LRT.

Agree 100% - let the LRT serve the densest areas with a high frequency, and don't waste billions building miles of rail parallel to existing rail corridors (CSX would probably part with their line for less than what it would cost to build the Silver line out to Matthews).

This would open up the opportunity for the Silver Line to serve the terminal at CLT directly. I just flew from CLT-SLC yesterday. SLC's new terminal complex is stunning, and the LRT stop is integrated very nicely (the station is immediately next to the terminal building - closer than the pick-up lanes for rideshare and private vehicles). Charlotte should look at doing the same.

[Greensboro's population breaking 300,000 residents.]

Population growth through annexation is a net negative IMO. The low density development at the fringes usually adds more in maintenance and service liabilities for the city than it adds in new tax revenue. The city should get serious about directing growth to the areas already within the city limits in order to leverage existing infrastructure and services.

[Downtown Raleigh's Future]

On 9/3/2022 at 7:26 AM, carolina1792 said:

Revealed on Twitter. Woah Smoky Hollow III will be amazing I think. Looks to be around 33 to 38 stories tall on the residential tower and about 20 on the office tower. 

 

That being said it COULD JUST BE AN EARLY CONCEPT RENDERING and the real project may be scaled down due to budget. 

 

Dear all architects everywhere,

Please stop with the Jenga block buildings. It was ugly the first time, and it's still ugly on the 1000th copy. Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean that you should.

Sincerely,

jthomas

[CATS Long Term Transit Plan - Silver, Red Lines]

Jason Slaughter of Not Just Bikes was recently a guest on the Strong Towns podcast, and he made a statement that really resonated with me. In contrasting North American public transportation with that of the Netherlands (where he lives), he said that systems in North America are "disrespectful" to their riders. In other words, the quality of service and infrastructure provided to transit users is so low that it communicates a complete lack of regard for their comfort, time, and experience. I think the last few comments in this thread really illustrate that point well.

It's disrespectful to riders to offer a service that only runs twice in a day.

It's disrespectful to riders to force them to cross a busy four-lane stroad (without a crosswalk!) just so they can stand next to a metal pole to wait on the bus.

It's disrespectful to taxpayers to build a multibillion-dollar rail line, and then not run enough trains to make it useful as a transportation option.

This is obviously not just a Charlotte problem (Charlotte is light years ahead of us here in Greensboro) - it's a pervasive attitude continent-wide. The whole episode is great and well worth a listen. I don't know that there is a great answer, other than getting as many people as possible to stand up and loudly say that the status quo is not acceptable.

[Piedmont Triad International Airport developments]

9 hours ago, KJHburg said:

I think this site work I see on both sides of I-73 near the runway overpass is for Boom Supersonic or just the site work being done closest to the airport for Boom?  earlier in the week.  first photo is of the Honda Jet buildings.  

I could be wrong, but I think the Boom parcel is on the opposite side of I-73 from the airport - there's more room for future expansion over there. I believe the side closer to the airport is being graded for future development, but no specific tenant as of now. The airport's radar was located on a hill there, but it has recently been relocated to a tower along West Market Street behind the new Samaritan's Purse hangar. 

[Downtown Greensboro Developments]

1 hour ago, KJHburg said:

Hey is there anyway someone can get a full photo of the front of the building or the back side facing the tracks?  This is a great news.  Would be great retail space but even office space if you put some thick windows in for sound measures. 

I'll try to grab some next time I'm down there, but in the meantime Street View gives a pretty accurate picture.

I doubt that the trackside awning will be restored due to how close it is to the tracks. Still, it will be great to see this building with the pitched roof and proper windows. I believe NCRR owns this building in Raleigh's Warehouse District which has been nicely restored and activated, so I have high hopes for this project.

Office would work here - maybe retail/restaurant on ground floor and office above? I have been in the Cascade Saloon building across the tracks, and while you certainly hear and feel the passing trains, it's not unworkable. Could have been a signature landing spot for the ACC, but I believe that train has left the station...

[North Carolina Intercity Rail Transit]

1 hour ago, kermit said:

Trains reports that a consortium of conservation groups have made an offer to NS for the decomissioned  Saluda grade tracks from Inman to Zirconia for a trail. For its part, NS shrugged and said they get lots of offers all the time and then had no comment (so it is unclear if NS is interested).

While the tracks have not been used since 2001, I have long thought they are the best (most direct) route to Asheville (in a world where SC actually gives a crap about passenger rail). I would hate to see the tracks go.

https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews/news-wire/groups-seek-to-buy-saluda-grade-for-conversion-to-rail-trail/

I agree - serving Asheville from Charlotte via Spartanburg makes better sense than the proposed Salisbury route, for several reasons. It looks like the portions of the line from Spartanburg-Tryon and Asheville-Flat Rock could be upgraded to 79 mph with relatively minor curve work, leaving the Saluda area as the only slow section.

I have wondered whether it would make sense to string catenary on the actual Saluda grade portion of the line for performance reasons. This seems a little less far-fetched now that Amtrak is ordering dual-mode trainsets from Siemens. It would make even more sense if the Atlanta-Charlotte HSR line gets built - this service could run on that line from Charlotte to Spartanburg.