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8 minutes ago, jthomas said:
Sports facilities are often as catalysts for downtown development - do they really have that effect?
This is a slightly different question from the one I thought I was answering. I will go on record and say that sports stadiums do not generate any new development. To do this, they would have to create extra demand for real estate. This has been studied extensively and there's just no evidence that adding a new stadium will increase demand for real estate.
However, stadiums can act as a focal point for development. As I said above, this is typically because the developer of the stadium wants to build a district around the park itself. We've seen this in Cincinnati and St Louis (and I'm sure other cities). The ballpark may make an area "trendy" and attract investment, but that investment is essentially getting taken from another part of the city or region.
So, basically, let's say Greensboro will need 1,000,000 sq feet of new real estate in the next year. If we build a new stadium, that number doesn't change much, but instead of getting built on the News and Record property or Southside or somewhere, it gets built near the stadium because the stadium is 'hot' right now. However, that doesn't always work.
Heck, in some cases (i.e. Charlotte) you could argue that the new stadium was drawn by the development, not the other way around. The Knights wanted to be where the action is (and have been setting attendance records ever since).
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1 hour ago, jthomas said:Greensboro, Winston, Durham, and Charlotte have all built downtown ballparks in the last 15 years or so (not sure exactly how old DBAP is)
DBAP is actually 26 years old, built in '95 when the Bulls were still in Single A. Though it's been renovated several times since then.
33 minutes ago, RALNATIVE said:Which ones are most successfully integrated in the urban environment
Interesting question, though it's not an apples-to-apples comparison. The Knights are definitely the most centrally located of all the stadiums and there is way more development happening in Uptown Charlotte than the other cities downtowns combined. It's very quickly been woven into the fabric of Uptown as the area around it grows rapidly. For that reason, it's hard to compare the Knights to the other teams.
DBAP was SLOW to develop. I grew up nearby and started going there regularly in 1999. I remember when it was basically just the stadium and felt pretty isolated from the "heart" of downtown. Most of the early development around the stadium was done by the family that owns the Bulls, so they were adding to their own investment. It was only in the last 5 years or so that other developers have really started getting involved. Now that they've hit a critical mass, the number of developments has taken off. Those developments, along with ATHD and DPAC have bridged the gap, but it took a while. That whole time the Goodmon family have been continuously investing in new development.
In the case of Greensboro, the development is clearly being driven by Ray Carroll. It's the same thing that happened in Durham where one developer is driving the early activity (though I don't know if Carroll is directly involved with the Grasshoppers, I'm sure someone can enlighten me). The stadium feels quite woven into DTG already, but there's obviously room for improvement. I don't think there's any question that 5 or 10 years from now, it will feel even more "connected" to the rest of downtown.
Obviously Winston doesn't have the explosion of development that Charlotte has or the single-minded developer leading the way as in Greensboro or Durham. Right now it feels like a big gap but really it isn't that far. It's an urban stadium, even if it's on the edge of downtown. As long as downtown WS continues to grow at a steady pace, I suspect the ballpark will grow into downtown. It's obviously the furthest behind in that regard at the moment.
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That's fun! As a minor league baseball aficionado, I think putting these two in the same league makes a lot of sense. Hickory and Asheville will also be in the league.
Regarding the Dash's stadium, there were plans at one point to build a whole district near it, similar to the types of development in St Louis, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati at the MLB level (or what we're seeing in Greensboro and Durham). Hopefully they can get that done at some point. A little cluster of sports bars and a sports apparel store would be a fun addition to DT WS.
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That's good news! Glad to see G'boro passing that milestone, definitely agree that it's something worth celebrating.
That being said, it's not that helpful to compare a sunbelt city with a heritage city like Cincy. Technically, Cincy and G'boro have about the same population, but Cincy anchors an MSA of 2.1 Million and the G'boro - High Point MSA is about 1/3 of that. Nobody who visited the two downtowns would think the cities were the same size.
That's true of every NC city, though. Charlotte technically has more people than Boston, but in reality Boston has more like 2.5 x as many people.
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On 2/4/2020 at 7:28 PM, rancenc said:
Wonderful addition to the downtown Greensboro entertainment scene.
Thanks for sharing. This is right next to that big mixed-use development that was supposed to go in. I think it was being built by a church? Does anyone know if there has been any movement on that? I can't find anything after 2018.
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I've always been curious about the Depot. It's a beautiful little station in a great location, but it's definitely kind of isolated from the rest of DT. Between that property and the News & Record property, that area could really be something interesting in the future.
Side note: The NC railroad plan calls for increasing the daily trains between Raleigh and Charlotte, which would presumably grow ridership in Greensboro as well. Once Charlotte's Gateway Station gets built, it will be a lot easier to travel by train to Uptown Charlotte. Any development at the Depot should include an expansion of capacity without damaging the historic nature of the station.
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Hey thanks, man. I was hoping someone might have their own Google MyMaps of development they could share.
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Does anyone know if there's a map of current projects for downtown Greensboro?
Also, does anyone know if anything has been proposed for the News and Record property?
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Another Scott Harmon project in the works over by Central Park. https://www.heraldsun.com/news/business/article228300919.html
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New renderings on Fallon's website. This looks to be phase 1 of a multi-phase project. They say groundbreaking expected in the fall. https://www.falloncompany.com/projects/301-hillsborough-street/
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Not sure if this is the right place, but the Venable Center just east of DBAP is proposing 8 stories of office called the Roxboro at Venable in a very active part of town.
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I actually got married across the street from this (in the Arts Council building). I would be a little surprised if they go with the original building because I think the demand for office space is a lot stronger than when they started. My understanding is that the next phase for the Innovation District is a multi-story lab building located immediately north of this parcel, next to the PNC branch. The height of that might influence how tall they go here.
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On 10/12/2018 at 7:06 PM, rancenc said:
Continuing development of the old Chatham Mills complex....
Interesting and nice-looking development. Though, I thought it was funny that they are using a picture of Trade and Tryon as one of the banner images on their website. You can even see the Duke Energy HQ in the background.
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23 hours ago, KJHburg said:Some photos from downtown Durham yesterday. First couple photos are the new 555 Magnum office building now under way and the adjacent apartments recently completed. Then One City Center and lastly the Durham Center building.
Thanks for these! The Bullhouse really changes the perspective of the city pretty significantly when coming in from 147. At some point in the future I imagine the south side of 147 will look pretty similar, starting with Fayette Place and eventually the Heritage Square shopping center.
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I just watched this PBS special, all of these restaurants are located in DT Durham (depending if you include Little Five Points in DT), though a couple have closed. The people are all still active in the local food scene as far as I know. Thought I'd share it for anyone having a lazy Saturday. https://www.pbs.org/video/durham-jdk0nf/
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Thought I'd try to put together a list of the projects I'm aware of currently underway in and around DT Durham. Nicholas' map is a good tool for visualizing the locations, but sometimes a list helps illustrate the sheer volume of activity. I tried not to include things that are already finished like the Unscripted renovation or Bullhouse Apartments. I'm sure I missed a few, but this is still a pretty solid list considering it's all basically within a single 1.5 mile radius.
The one that excites me the most is the University Kia/Ford site (it's the big car dealership that's between American Tobacco the NC Mutual Life building). Going back to my childhood I was always flabbergasted that a big car dealership was right downtown next to the DBAP, I used to walk by on my way to games imagining what could be there instead. CBC did such a good job on American Tobacco that I know this will be a very good addition to Durham. Anyway, no more soapbox, feel free to add any missing projects.
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- One City Center
- 555 Mangum
- Durham Gateway Center Apartments
- Broadstone Apartments
- Gordan St Townhomes
- Durham ID
- Golden Belt Renovations
- Leyland Post
- Eleven Durham
- Solis Brightleaf
- Bartlett Durham
- Springhill Suites
- 500 Block Redevelopment
- 300 Block Redevelopment
- Durham Main Library Renovation
- Mixed Use Parking Deck
- Old Courthouse Renovation
- Old Police HQ redevelopment
- New Police HQ
- Willard St. Mixed Income
- Durham Belt Line
- South Ellerbe Wetlands
- 802 Washington
- Yancey Condos
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- University Kia Redevelopment
- NC Mutual Life 2nd Tower
- Golden Belt Expansion
- Five Points Redevelopment
- 614 Rigsbee Lot
- Roxboro/Jackie Robinson Dr Tower
- Oldham Towers/Liberty St Redevelopment
- Fayette Place Redevelopment
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On 9/6/2018 at 11:43 PM, Phillydog said:
I'm going to go out on a limb and say Northgate will be redeveloped as a smaller version of North Hills...
Well, there's definitely a lot of activity happening in the actual mall, though nothing so far with the surrounding area. This story from the Indy details a project to convert some of the movie theaters at Northgate to live performance theaters. https://www.indyweek.com/indyweek/with-manbites-dog-gone-the-future-of-durham-theater-might-reside-at-wait-really-northgate-mall/Content?oid=17860656
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Looks like another good condo development coming to Durham, this one is across the intersection from the modernist townhomes shown above. Scott Harmon is very good at these mid-rise developments, including Church & Main, and Mangum Flats. Here's a rendering of the new building.
Even if you're not wild about the design, it's replacing this:
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On 8/19/2018 at 11:51 AM, nicholas said:
Had some free time this morning, so I've been putting together a Durham development map. I'm not sure how to fully utilize Google Maps to the extent seen in the Charlotte development map, so it would be awesome if a couple of other people with more knowledge of these projects/Google Maps joined the cause.
Here's what I've got so far if you want to check it out:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1YAFJRo50cngno2pB3RBQd1tSiz_wJJqv&usp=sharing
You're doing a great job. Let us know when you're done and I'd be happy to compare your map to the list of projects in my head.
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8 hours ago, Phillydog said:
Article link?
Sorry, I meant this one. Hadn't had my coffee yet...
On 6/29/2018 at 4:20 PM, KJHburg said:Since this tech company is moving out of American Tobacco I will put this here. Willow Inc. taking almost 6x as much space in newly renovated Golden Belt Campus in Durham. And look what the CEO says about the local labor force.
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On 4/25/2018 at 11:11 AM, pgsinger said:
Does anyone have the link to the Google map with the development overlays? Similar to Charlotte's map: https://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/development-maps/charlotte-development-map/
Not exactly what you asked, but this is a map of current Durham developments. http://www.buildingbullcity.com/p/map.html
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You don't need a membership to read this TBJ article, but you do need to create an account. (It's free). There's no 3 article limit but you also can't read the "subscriber only" content.
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One thing to keep in mind, Fallon Co's new buildings are mostly in Boston's Seaport, which is height restricted and also the most expensive place in the city, so I wouldn't read too much into the heights. $17 Million is a lot of money and they will probably have to go pretty vertical to recoup the cost. The produce good products, so I expect better design. The circumstances surrounded Lundy's sale aren't great (the unexpected death of the project lead) but the building they designed wasn't especially attractive, imo. I think we'll get a better quality product now.
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Oh, it's definitely glorified sprawl. After all, it's a single-family development. But, I think a lot of people want sprawl, so I appreciate a company trying to add some urbanism to their development. Having some walkability is still better than a normal subdivision, which has absolutely none.
Greensboro and Winston-Salem placed in new High A East baseball league
in The NC Triad
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but would this be the only sport where Greensboro and Winston are in the same league? This seems like a great activity to add some fun rivalry tradition. I know the traditional thing is like a trophy of some sort, but anything really to highlight the series winner.
Minor League Baseball is supposed to be fun, and silly and a little absurd, so something wacky and light-hearted would fit perfectly.