Wolverine, I missed some of your posts back around page 4 and 5 about the Jefferson one building (hence the question if you worked for wiggy and tiggy) We share a lot of commonalities, I too ventured up on that roof many times to take in the views and take pictures. I led a campagain to get the flag pole fixed and fitted with a large flag because it would have been seen for miles. The owners fiddeled with it for a while but never gave the okay to do it. I also am an 'amature' historian of Saginaw and love to talk about the old buildings that are now parking lots. If I had mega $$$ I'd buy the Berringer building, saginaw center, and the hotel and make a huge convention complex to go along with the Dow. Have you ever been in Jake's on court st.? I helped the owner with the design and my father was the contractor, that building has a lot of history to it and a lot of potential for the rest of the block (going toward the river). Also, I see the former moose is up for sale, that would make a great condo project I think.