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charleyhorse

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  1. Thanks for the welcome - and I appreciate your thoughts, I hadn't read the whole post. But, I also think that in this environment that Orchard Hills may not succeed either unless they "steal" tenants from Woodland or Rivertown. Few fashion nationals would want three stores in this size market and many stores at Rivertown just cannibalized their Woodland sales and had little new net gains. I know they are going after a variety of new-to-West Michigan tenants but like Whole Foods, this is not going to be their primary market of choice. While we may have that 2 million extended reach population, a retailer is going to look at the 10 mile radius for a primary demo and 30 mile for a secondary and despite the affluence of the area, there just isn't a big enough % of population in HH's with incomes over $150,000 to afford the higher end products - today, five years from now, maybe. Those that can buy couture are going to continue to go to Chicago, New York or even Detroit for their fashion items for the larger selection of stores, etc. If this is correct, and I'm not saying it is, what will Orchard Hills do? If they aim lower and compete directly with Woodland and Rivertown, then that could be disasterous for all. Landlord costs are not going down and CAM won't either for the forseable future, though they are less for lifestyle centers. I've heard that Woodland's are high and the new owner isn't lowering them which may mean they lose tenants to Orchard Hills and then we have three half filled malls. Yikes. (Gosh, a plane just went down at the airport - I guess there are worse things that could happen than the demise of a shopping center - that gave me a little focus....) What do you see as a winning plan for all three malls? Can they survive?
  2. Hi, I'm new to the site. I don't comment much but thought I'd get your thoughts on this "race is on". It's my understanding that how developers get tenants is by their clout - how big are they and how desireable are their centers. Most deals in today's retail environment are packaged - if you want to go into the Beverly Center in LA that's great but you have to take GR too. So, again, it's my understanding mall development is mostly about who has more leverage. IF that's true can this really be a race? CBL is a big player already well established in Michigan and though they are not a Taubman in the high end quality of their centers (translates to SPSF - the key tenant interest) they plus the other two partners are sure to have more leverage than Evergreen. What do you think? No matter what though, it's going to be tough to get any major to come here given the economy - a lot of landlord concessions will have to be made I'm guessing and that's expensive. Thoughts?
  3. Back to the malls. Most people think that Rivertown is so much bigger than Woodland but if you look at their leasing plans, they are very similar. I'm curious though which mall people like better and why?
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