rhino6885 was talking to me about this....I should consider this. I will just have to find time to read 23 pages. I didn't have time to read the 52 pages about the GRAM...sigh. I just think it's very important because I grew up in St. Louis and last year during the World Series, STL was marked as the most dangerous city in the US, not according to me, though I could tell stories. Anyway, downtown St. Louis is completely empty. There are government workers, my mother was a programmer downtown at a courthouse and when my brother and I went to work with her I would see tons and tons of stores boarded up. There was one mall but that was sparsely populated. I have also watched the population numbers decline. Luckily there's University City right outside of downtown St. Louis but I think for a city to thrive, the downtown has to be great, lots of people, foot traffic, and reasons to be there.