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SPARTAN -- Thanx for the input. Here is what I am thinking about the top 4 MSA's after Atlanta.
Augusta 525,000+ Think Augusta has drawn in as many counties into its MSA as possible for the foreseeable future. Anyone have another opinion?
Savannah 320,000+
395,000+ Add Hinesville/FT S (75,000+)
485,000+ Add HiltonH/Beaufort (165,000+)
560.000+ Add H/FTS/H/B (240,000+ )
Columbus 288,000+
413,000+ Add A/O (125,000+)
Macon 230,000+
358,000+ Add W/R (128,000+)
As you can see, seems that only Savannah can catch and pass Augusta for # 2 after Atlanta. As for 3, 4, 5 rank, it really all comes down to what, if any additions, are made to MSA. For example, Columbus could become # 3 or fall to # 5. Will be interesting to see how it all shakes out. I am hearing that BRAC wont be "complete" until 2011 (keeps being pushed back). If so -- and census is April of '10 -- then the full effect of BRAC buildup on Columbus, Hinesville, Augusta, WR wont be reflected until '20 census!
I can foresee Macon's Metro expanding and including all of these counties which would bring the Metro pop to about 500,000.
• Baldwin County
• Bibb County *
• Crawford County *
• Houston County
• Jones County *
• Monroe County *
• Peach County
• Pulaski County
• Putnam County
• Twiggs County
• Wilkinson County
http://www.georgia.gov/00/channel_title/0,...02_5067,00.html
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The relationship between the two is not as strong as you think it is. The MSA is determined based on the urban area geography as well as economic and social ties. Commuter data and employment stats are a major factor. It is not some arbitrary definition that someone comes up with. Clearly there are ties between the two, but they are not strong enough to be considered one "MSA." Thats why the CSA concept was created. It shows areas that have an economic/social relationship with other areas, but that aren't strong enough to act as one entity.
I undestand what you are saying but Macon and Warner Robins interact on everything from local business changs( banks, Dealerships, colleges & Etc) to advertisments, TV boardcasting and Middle Ga Economic Development; There alot of Commuting between the two mostly because all the jobs and shoppings are in Macon other than the AF base which is only major employer in WR the others are all in Macon.. Macon is the major Hub for 22 counties in this area including WR/houston county, there is no way the interact of the two is the reason why macon and WR is considered seperate. The only thing that Macon and WR do seperate is local city /county goverment which for WR is in Perry... Other than that i can't see how Macon and Warner Robins are so seperate... this is only interaction they don't particpate with each other... It may be true that they don't interact enough but i can't see it and if you would ask any body who is from or have lived in this area even from WR they would refer to it's as a suburb of Macon, but right now Macon is in about to do a huge 360 degree expanion of the entire Macon city limts to incorprate the large amount of new commerical & residential growth out side the city and if Macon & WR are so seperated, it want be for too long because Macon and WR city limts are rapidly approaching each other.....In about 3-5 years you want be able to tell what is WR or what is Macon..... I don't think i will be surprise to see what the US census has to say about growth, when the next evalution is done for Macon & WR... Because you can see with your own eyes and have experience in the last 2 years the amount growth has taken place in this area....
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Decatur is not has never been a metro. Decatur is within 15 miles of downtown Atlanta. Warner Robins is not. You cannot divide true suburbs of Atlanta from the core and not do the same with Warner Robins/Macon. Warner Robins is not suburban Macon. Decatur is suburban Atlanta. In fact its an inner suburb. It lies solely within I-285. A question can not be possed and once information is provided then the goal post are moved. Either we do metros or we do CSA's. In question initially possed asked for metros. Sorry that I gave information regarding the question possed. Gainesville is a seperate metro from Atlanta...therefore it's numbers are not added to Atlanta's total. If Spartan wanted CSA's then I would not have provided the information I did.
Hold up, Where are you from obvoiusly not from GA Because my dear Warner Robins is only 15 miles from Macon's Downtown and lies solely between I-75 from the west and 247 on the east which run directly from Macon and I totally agree, that the chart is not a true reflection of Macon's economy, since WR figures should indeed be combined, Macon & WR are to close and interact too much be seperate and for whatever reasons the US census, the state or who ever has the ability to do so was just a STUPID move... I never said that Decatur should be seperate from Atlanta i use it as an example of how stupid it looks to take a surburb and change it into it's own metro....when it doesn't even have a DT area or Judical court center or Etc., It's all in perry, in that case it should be called metro perry... if you know the history WR, it was a village that formed around a small train depot that took growth after RAF base came in to the present. The City Of WR is nothing but huge residential/commerical spot, that seem more of a surburb to me......With out the AF base and Macon, WR would be nothing.... And this is not just numbers or from some out dated chart which has no true reflection on this area which is only a estimate, but i speak of actuallity and from 27years of living experience in this area...
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There is no dispute that chart is accurate for what it is. My point is that unless it is clearly disclosed that chart reflects only in-state potion of MSA's (as was done when posted in Secession thread) then it might be misconstrued as a true comparison of MSA's. Certainly Augusta is # 2 in economics as would be expected since is # 2 in population (both in-state and entire MSA) and that would only be enhanced by addition of SC figures. But as you figured out, addition of Russell County in Al might change the rankings for Columbus -- I have no idea either, but the point is that it could. Even if rank did not change the difference between the raw figures and dollar #'s would sure be changed so that the magnitude of difference would be lessened or increased.
The folks from Macon can urge -- legitimately -- that chart is not a true reflection of Macon economy, since WR figures should be combined. Ie, Macon-WR CSA is proper entity for judging economic clout. Likewise, Columbus could claim that addition of A-O (in its CSA) is a better reflection of its economy. That is of course an academic debate.
To be truly objective, there should probably be several charts of comparative economic stats
1) Compare cities (within corporate limits) -- ie, ~ 500,000 for Atlanta, ~185,000 for Columbus, ~ 190,000 for Augusta etc
2) Compare counties (Fulton, Muscogee, Richmond, etc)
3) Compare in-Ga MSA --as this chart does
4) Compare MSA's in their entirety
5) Compare metro areas (MSA's and CSA's)
Then we could pick and choose which ever chart we wanted to tout the economic strength of our own area!
I agree, that chart is not a true reflection of Macon economy, since WR figures should indeed be combined, Macon & WR are to close to be seperate and whatever reason the US census, the state or who ever has the ability to do so was just a stupid move that's about as dumb as putting atlanta and decatur in two seperate MSA's..... There is more than enough, interaction between the two to be combined.... I mean i think WR is closers to Macon than augusta is aiken and in fact it's in another state and they are combine this makes no sense but in the near future i'm sure there won't be an issue with seperation with Macon & WR due to so much economic growth......
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With all that infrastructure why haven't Macon population out grow the other second rate city? Its all about the population growth at the end of the day. Columbus has way less interstate access than Macon and Augusta but will soon out grow both. Whats the hold Macon....Atlanta?
Augusta metro is over half a million but you're saying Macon has the same amount of retail and business? Augusta had two large malls in the 70s and the Regency Mall failed because it never attempted to compete with Augusta Mall. But Augusta will be getting its second mall or open-air-mall come 2009. I do think Macon should get the Airport that would relieve Atlanta in my opinion.
Macon is also getting a large 850-900,000 sqft open air mall which open in march of 2008.... and 6 other lifestyle centers in various parts of the city.....Indeed, I think macon will and should get the 2nd airport as well.....Macon's Metro pop is less than augusta but a big plus for Macon is that Macon is a huge economic hub for 22 counties in Mid ga which has a pop of over 650,000 and also from lots of people traveling from the interstates.... so it kind of balances out and make up for macon less pop ..... that why Macon can support so much development....but as far as who will out grow who we will just have to wait and see.... because it's too early to tell...
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I dont think anybody from augusta said that macon doesn't have more interstate access now. But according to ga dot site when all the construction is done in bibb, richmond, chatham, and muscogee. Richmond county will have 3 more projects than the second closes bibb. Metro augusta will have 13 the second closes macon will have 11. There is more major transportation construction going on in metro augusta than any of the 2nd tier cities.
The facts are augusta has more planned projects by dot than any 2nd tier city. So all im saying is dot is spending more money and doing more construction in augusta than every city in ga besides atlanta. Nobody said macon or savannah doesn't have a better interstate system now.
Yeah that maybe true becasue the construction planned in macon is happening in different phases and at different times as opposed to augusta which is all going on at one time, but if you combine all of what's going on in macon and in the next 3-5 years augusta come no where near...
Well here is what Planned in Macon as far a road construction..... some has already started....
1. as you know about $300 millions huge I-16/75 interchange
2. the interchanges of 475/75 in north and south Macon is being reworked so for example if you are coming from the north on 475 you will be able to make a circle and merge back on 75 north without having to go down the hartley Rd. bridge exit and turn around and drive back up 75, you will then be able to just merge back on 75 from the interchange, so whats going to happen when completed is I-475 and 75 will make circle around north,west and south macon, leaving East Macon and DT connected by I-16....
3. Dot has planned to also build a large highway though south Macon/bibb county to relieve some to traffic being drawed by the new development.....
4. and the portion of 75 the runs parellel with riverside dr is going to be widen.....
And all of these road interchange projects in macon when complete will include fly over bridges....
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I'm so glad you decided to add your opinion, not saying that you are taking any side but to show that i'm not the only one who knows about the large road projects in Macon..... I know that it may be hard to see from my previous comments, but my reason for expressing development in Macon is not to say that Macon is better or has more than Augusta or Etc. It good to see all the 2nd tier cities growing eventhough i would to see Macon with the most, but it's good to know that atlanta is not the only city in Ga growing and i just wanted to let people know that your city is not the only thriving city in Ga... and right now the development going in Macon right is so impressive for a city of this size.... And with two cities the size of Macon & WR being so close and both experiencing so much growth(retail & residential) the area has no other choice but to feel like a more larger Metro..... Because people seem to look at Macon as if it's so far behind all the other 2nd tier cities which it not by a long shot..... Macon has lot of Attributes, which help it stand out like having the 2nd largest Mall and hosptial in Ga and largest faculity outside atlanta(centreplex)...
This is the Current i-75/16 interchange DT Macon
This after it reconstruction project...
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I've tried to stay out of the fight, so I'll just add a bit of non-inflammatory opinion.
I recently drove from Orlando to Atlanta, and obviously went through Macon. I took 75 through on the way up and 475 on the way down. Anyone from Augusta who thinks our highways (including new construction) are more "impressive" are wrong. Macon's highway infrastructure is much larger AND there are HUGE new projects going on. I'll also add that Savannah has a larger, more comprehensive highway network than Augusta, including the 520 expansion.
However, did I think this made Macon feel any more "big-city?"... Not at all. It's no coincidence that the larger, busier highway, and the major interchange improvements are benefiting I-475, the highway which bypasses Macon's core. The city has a LOT more thru-traffic. Wide highways and impressive interchanges mean NOTHING about the size of the city in many cases. The 2 new flyovers at the ends of I-520 aren't going to suddenly make Augusta appear more "big city," simply because the surroundings don't reflect that (mid-density suburban at the GA end and low-density suburban at the SC end).
If highway size were of ANY consideration, I'd have to conclude that metro Tifton on I-75 or the megalopolis of Woodbine on I-95 were larger cities than Augusta, since they lie on long stretches on 6-lane highway apart from any major cities, whereas I-20 through the Augusta metro is 4-lane the majority of time.
I'm so glad you decided to add your opinion, not saying that you are taking any side but to show that i'm not the only one who knows about the large road projects in Macon..... I know that it may be hard to see from my previous comments, but my reason for expressing development in Macon is not to say that Macon is better or has more than Augusta or Etc. It good to see all the 2nd tier cities growing eventhough i would to see Macon with the most, but it's good to know that atlanta is not the only city in Ga growing and i just wanted to let people know that your city is not the only thriving city in Ga... and right now the development going in Macon right is so impressive for a city of this size.... And with two cities the size of Macon & WR being so close and both experiencing so much growth(retail & residential) the area has no other choice but to feel like a more larger Metro..... Because people seem to look at Macon as if it's so far behind all the other 2nd tier cities which it not by a long shot..... Macon has lot of Attributes, which help it stand out like having the 2nd largest Mall and hosptial in Ga and largest faculity outside atlanta(centreplex)...
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Yerocal, you rate Macon number 2 after Atlanta in what? Places you like? That would be about the only thing it would rank as. Augusta has twice the population (metro area), twice the amount of urbanized (built up) area, and twice the amount of retail, (as shown by the US Census bureau thanks to PJA.) It has more tall buildings, (check emporis for stats), more jobs, more influence, more hotel rooms, more hospital beds....blah blah blah the list could go on forever.
Retail development wise Macon may have more planned right now but Augusta isnt far behind that.
You have the Village at Riverwatch with 900K sqft., The Forum with roughly 350,000K sq. ft., Marshall Square with roughyl 100K sq. ft, (not including residential office and hotel), Hammonds Ferry, basically an extension of Downtown North Augusta with residential office and retail, Mullins sq. phase 2 with 3-400K sq. ft. of retail, The new Home Depot and shopping center attatched in Evans, (probably 200K sq. ft.), the new Walmart Supercenter and shopping center attatched in South Aiken, (probably 200K sq. ft.), another planned Walmart super Center in Grovetown, The Augusta Mall expansion and probably an additional 100K sq. ft of retail in standard strip malls going up in Evans. ....This is JUST retail and doesnt include any office or residential space that will come along with some of the developments like Hammonds Ferry, Forum, and Marshall Sq.
i'm tried of this discussion Macon has just as much exisiting, now under construction and future planned as Augusta the only thing that augusta has morer than Macon is people, there is no reason to contiune this never ending discussion..... Like i said the Us census is just estimates because according to the US census it doesn't even includes all the development what going on right now....
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Forget the next Atlanta! When Columbus, Augsuta and Savannah become suburbs of Macon, it will be bigger than Atlanta.
Having more interstate access will not make Richmond county more urban. An urban area is not defined by how much interstate access it has.
I totally 100 percent agree. I like to read Wikipedia...but you must always check the sources before you take anything that you find on that site at face value. And that shouldn't be your main source. The people at the Census Bureau get paid to do this and I would rather take their word than the word of someone who is just out to make their metro look good.
well if they are they need a pay cut because it obvious they are falling behind..... with US census....
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In any reasonable debate or discussion, a standard has to be agreed upon. The standard should be the us census...and since you don't care what they say, there is no point of me discussing this matter any further with you because I deal in facts not not wishful thinking.
You Could not have said anything better, because i'm tried of going on about Macon and Augusta, Because what I say is not wishful thinking but actullality..... Just like wikpedia the us census is only an estimates and numbers which has no way of tracking every single development move when it only take per year..... In my opinion I still rate Macon Number 2 after atlanta....
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You may not understand what an urbanized area is. The urbanzied area is the developed part of a metro. That means that in the Augusta metro, there are 231.79 sq. miles of continuous developed area. The consolidation has nothing to do with how much urban area a metro has. As a matter of fact, in Augusta-Richmond county there are some rural places that are not included in the urbanzied area because there is not enough development. Even if Augusta deonsolidated, there would still be 231.79 square miles of development because those businesses and houses in the urban area would not disappear.
I know what a urbanized area is that may be true about Augusta, there are 231.79 sq. miles of continuous developed area but you have to consider why Macon is in bibb county which is one of the smallest counties in Ga which is 80% developed with Macon, also Macon's growth run into Monroe, jones & twiggs county... Earlier this year bibb and monroe county has a dispute how they was going to handle the growth of macon into monoe county... and now macon's development is starting to grow into houston and peach county...
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For the last time the US census does not include Warner Robins in Macon's metro. Wikipedia is not a reliable the source. All you have to do is go to www.census.gov and you will see that Macon and Warner Robins are seperate. No matter what other "unreliable" information you look for, Warner Robins and Macon do not interact enough to form a Metropolitan area. That is from the US census, not from me.
BTW, nowhere have I ever said that Augusta was better than Macon. Yerocal would have you to believe that there are just as many businesses in Macon as the other second tier cities. I have proven with facts from the cenus site that his beliefs are very incorrect. That is my whole point.
Oh yeah, to prove your point, Make sure that you watch the Middle Ga Regional X-mas pararde in DT Macon which show little interaction between metro Macon and metro WR......
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The facts not exagerrations are that Augusta does have double the retail than Macon. I already posted it before from www.census.gov website.
Augusta = 5,081
Savannah = 2,982
Columbus = 2,465
Macon = 2,225
I also posted the urban are for each metro because you said Macon "feels" bigger than the other metros. I posted the urban areas for each metro.
1. Augusta 231.79 square miles
2. Columbus 136.16 square miles
3. Savannah 102.39 square miles
4. Warner Robins 80.91 square miles
5. Macon 80.53 square miles
6. Athens 79.56 square miles
7. Albany 65.89
As you can tell I deal in facts. When you're talking about how big something is...that can be proven. The people at the US census have taken their time and these are the numbers they came up with. We don't have to like them. That doens't mean they aren't true. If you want to say Macon is better than all of the metros, then that's your opinion and you have every right to your opinion. But when you want to say Macon has more retail or is bigger than other cities, you're wrong, and I didn't come up with those numbers. The US census did.
BTW bigger isn't always better anyway.
Of course Columbus and augusta is going to have more sq mileage because it's combine with the county (light bulb) if macon consolidated with bibb county it would have a higher sq mileage too.. this morning Macon's new mayor wants to annex the size of the Macon city limits because of so much growth... And for the record I'm not the only one who say macon feel or look bigger EVERYONE else said that too.....
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For the last time the US census does not include Warner Robins in Macon's metro. Wikipedia is not a reliable the source. All you have to do is go to www.census.gov and you will see that Macon and Warner Robins are seperate. No matter what other "unreliable" information you look for, Warner Robins and Macon do not interact enough to form a Metropolitan area. That is from the US census, not from me.
BTW, nowhere have I ever said that Augusta was better than Macon. Yerocal would have you to believe that there are just as many businesses in Macon as the other second tier cities. I have proven with facts from the cenus site that his beliefs are very incorrect. That is my whole point.
Well let me tell you all for the last time, I don't care what the US census, Wikipedia or any other site says Macon and Warner Robins are separate I have lived in the Macon and Warner Robins area for over 27 years and Macon and Warner Robins has always been consider together Warner Robins interact with Macon on everything parades, work/jobs, shopping, Economic development, Advertisements, Phones services, TV & radio. Everything puts them together, nothing in this area shows no signs of Macon and Warner Robins are separate; it’s all listed as the Greater Macon metro area. Macon and WR has so much development going right now that in the next 2-3 years at some point in south Macon you will not be able to tell what is Macon and what is WR.. And this is not from the US census it from me opening my eyes and look at actuality... Commons sense tell us that there are no way us census can keep up with all the current/ day to day development and changes of any area because those censuses are taken by year....not by day.... And in order to see what the increase you would have to wait another year, not what they said in 2005 or 06 but what’s going in 2007. And who ever takes the US census and say that Warner Robins and Macon do not have enough interact to be combine they need to be replaced because it too obvious to anyone that's not true...
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I understand macon is growing with transportation projects. Ga dot is doing more in macon and metro macon than in columbus and savannah but not augusta. All of augusta projects on the ga dot site have already started construction this year. This project is very nice but will not start construction for atleast 5 to 6 years. Richmond county had 7 next was columbia with 5 which is apart of metro augusta. Richmond 7, columbia 5, bibb 4, peach 4, and bryan 4. I agree that macon is growing faster in terms of transportaion than savannah, and columbus, but not augusta.
Richmond county according to dot has more construction going on in transportation than any county outside metro atlanta. Which means richmond county will definitely be the most urban county outside atlanta. When alot of this construction is done im sure macon will feel like a metro area when driving down the interstates. But riding through augusta interstates it will feel bigger.
GA dot by city
1. Atlanta
2. Augusta
3. Macon
4. Savannah & Columbus
done by july 2009. Just look at the pic http://www.palmettoparkway.org/default.shtml
St. Sebastian in downtown augusta
Think of what you just said Macon has more interstates access than any city in Ga than atlanta, The little 520/20 ordeal in augusta is something that Macon already with 475/75,Macon aready has 3 interchange that exits and right now the split/interchange of 75/475 is being reconstructed larger in South Macon and when the huge $300 million interchange of 75/16 is conpleted it will give Macon more of a even larger city feel. Just because Augusta has more going at this present time doesn't means " Augusta/richmond county will definitely be the most urban county outside atlanta" I think NOT.....
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This shows us how the 2nd tier cities are growing. GA dot site
Bibb I-75 Bibb 3 projects, Houston 3, Peach 4,
I-475 Bibb 1
http://acp.dot.state.ga.us/cfusion/cwp/vie...nterstateSearch
Savannah I-95 Chatham 2 projects, Bryan 3
http://acp.dot.state.ga.us/cfusion/cwp/vie...nterstateSearch
Columbus I-185 Muscogee 3 projects, Harris 2, Troup 1
http://acp.dot.state.ga.us/cfusion/cwp/vie...nterstateSearch
Augusta I-20 Richmond 5 projects, Columbia 5, Mcduffie 1
I-520 Richmond 2
http://acp.dot.state.ga.us/cfusion/cwp/vie...nterstateSearch
Augusta cleary is dominating to become the second biggest metro in terms of apperance. Sc dot has projects on their site for I-20 and I-520
the only thing I can say is read this article please http://www.macon.com/198/story/208541.html
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I can remember a time when the Regency Mall in Augusta was one of the top 3 malls size-wise in Georgia...back in the late 70's.
Before we all get scolded here I guess I'll throw my 2 cents in.
Macon may be adding more retail space now but Augusta still is far ahead because it already has double the amount of existing retail space. Look at that massive Power Center with close to a million sq. ft. itself, (Augusta Exchange) in West Augusta. The Power Centers on Bobby Jones Expressway and the MASSIVE amount of retail on Washington rd. and Wrightboro rd., (around the Augusta Mall.) Not to mention the all of the new Power Centers out in Evans and North Augusta.
Right now there is probably about 1 million sq. ft. of space being added across the metro area, (UC) with several more millions being planned.
Augusta also already has a Lifestyle Center and has had one for many years. It is called Surrey Center and is located in the heart of one of Augustas historical areas. It is a 2 level shopping center with more than 40 shops including Talbots, Chicos, JosABanks and other stores normally seen in malls/LSCenters. The cool thing about this shopping center (adorned in wrought iron and fountains) is that there is such a broad selection of cool little shops, eateries, fine dining and some of Augustas best nightclubs.
Exaggerations !!! Augusta does not have double the existing amount of retail space in Macon, for a short time Augusta and savannah wasn’t the only 2nd tier cities with 2 enclosed malls, Macon once had a 2 malls, which was called the Westgate Mall and the present Macon Mall in the late 80’s early 90’s the Westgate mall which included a Westgate cinema was converted into a shopping center… For Existing Macon Retail about 4 years ago Macon had a very huge power center developed, called Eisenhower crossing anchored by Target, Best Buy, Goodys,Old Navy, Dicks, Marshall, Ross, Pet Smart, Home Depot, Staples & Kroger’s which included a host of restaurants and small stores…. Macon has existing locations of pretty every things that in augusta and the only thing that i know that augusta had that Macon did not was 2 Dillards which will soon change in March of 2008 when the new Open air Mall opens...
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Aiken is a suburb of Augusta...Warner Robbins is it's own metro. Those are two totally different relationships. The Galleria is in Warner Robins.
For the area WR is consider apart of Macon Metro, although some sites say Warner Robins has is own metro and some say it not, but when the galleria is listed as a Macon area Mall... According to everyone favorite site Wikipedia, Macon is the sixth-largest city (by population) and third-largest Metropolitan Statistical Area in Georgia, behind Atlanta and Augusta
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The Macon Mall is 1.4 million sq. feet. There are three malls that I know of that are bigger, and they are the Mall of Georgia, Lenox Mall, and Stonecrest Mall. The Macon Mall has over 100,000 sq. feet of vacant space due to the closing of Parisian which put its current active square footage at 1.3 million.
Augusta has two enclosed malls, the Augusta Mall (1.3 million square feet) and the Aiken Mall (couldn't find the exact size).
Savannah has two enclosed malls as well. Savannah Mall (960,000 sq. ft.) and Ogelthorpe Mall (948,000 sq. ft.)
Well if you want to include aiken for Augusta then Macon has the Galleria in WRobins/centerville....
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I figured you didn't know what a lifestyle center was.
Lullwater at Bass is an apartment complex.
Marketplace at Bass is power center not a lifestyle center.
Opus Shoppes of Macon is not a lifestyle center...it has stores like CVS, Advanced Auto Parts Store and Publix. If you consider that a lifestyle center then Augusta has plenty of those. If you want to count stores like those, Augusta has plenty of those being built.
Hartley Station isn't a lifestyle center either. It's much bigger than that. Plans include an elementery school and houses. Lifestyle centers don't have those. That's more like a town.
North Winds was changed from a lifestyle center to a big box development. (Augusta is building plenty of those now).
The only three developments that you named that are actually lifestyle centers are LullWater Village and Providence Town Center (and has there been any update on that. That actually sounds like a nice development). The Shoppes at River Crossing is the third one.
Hey expert, you are exactly right Lullwater at bass is an apartment complex but if YOU look across the street you will also see it's lifestyle Retail Center where the ground has been broken and a huge sign which show the renderings of the retail center....lol make sure you have all your facts before you comment..
Well obiviously a lot of people and developers don't know what a lifestyle center is, because that what they all are calling them unless you don't know what one is, Like I mentioned Macon has 7 LS centers underconstruction and you need come to reality about the growth and in macon instead of try to knock the development or act as if augusta has more or say something better.....when it's not...
Providence Town Center
Shoppes at River Crossing
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1 large hospital is good, but augusta is the medical center of the southeast. Ppl from columbia, savannah, and athens come to augusta for injuries. The Medical College of GA is still in augusta
Three of our top hospital are expanding at the same time
Doctors Hospital isn't alone in its 55 million dollar construction. University Hospital is in the midst of a $94 million renovation, Medical College of Georgia Hospital and Clinics is planning $110 million in projects in the next few years, and the school is planning a $124 million new building for the School of Dentistry that will likely be part of a larger medical education complex with new facilities for the School of Medicine.
Macon does have one of the largest malls in ga but is not the state's 2nd largest. Im sure macon mall is about 1.3 to 1.5 million sq. ft probably a little more than augusta mall was before it expanded. Atlanta has the top 2 to 4 largest malls in ga then augusta, followed by macon. When macon's mall add a lifestyle portion then it may be bigger than aug mall, but now right now
Lol, Until you can find proof then Macon Mall is the still the 2nd largest Mall in Ga.... Oh yeah the Medical center is expanding as we speak its building a huge 9 story high-rise Cardic center which opens in 2008...
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Out of stonecrest, perimeter, and lenox 2 are probably bigger than macon and augusta mall. Stonecrest is now that big it just has alot of strip malls and hotels surrounding it. So the sprawl around makes it seem alot bigger. I don't know whats the biggest mall outside of atl btw macon and augusta. I would assume though with aug mall new lifestyle addition it should be the biggest outside of atl. But atlanta probably has the top 3 or 4 biggest malls in ga.
wikipedia says macon mall is just the largest in central georgia now
it does say The the Village at Riverwatch in augusta will be the largest lifestyle center in the state
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_shopp...e_United_States
Well we all know by now that wikipedia has a lot of incorrect information from experience of previous topics and forums, but i will find the infor and make sure i share it....
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Round three for Macon, 1.) Macon has the second Largest Hosptial in the state, Medical Center of Central Ga, 2.) The Largest Multi-funtional faculity out side of atlanta the Centre plex/Coliseum 3.) the state's second largest Mall...... Wow
Georgia Population Figures
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If Macon MSA contained all of the these counties in 2010 it would have a pop of 500,000