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MacArthur Mall REDEVELOPMENT (Proposed/Planning) City of Norfolk


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2 hours ago, Arctic_Tern said:

Like the buildings+promenade, hate that both parking garages are staying. Those eat up so much good real estate and stick out like a sore thumb. This city continues to be incredibly unambitious 

you have to have parking. this is HR. let not perfect be the enemy of good enough. but then again, why are we even commenting lol. i mean, this is soooooo random and preliminary...and far off into the future, no doubt.  if ever.

55 minutes ago, HRVT said:

Trying to gain a rough count, they appear to be 25 stories or so. Now, they also look incredibly generic so it could just be an illustrative example to show a general look. But if this gets built in any way resembling these pictures, thats HUGE.

I counted  25-27. One of them may appear taller than that.

As an aside, I'm surprised Kenny didn't boast that this project would carry a price tag of some $2.4bn!! In 2038 dollars.  But wait, the "bn" category is reserved for the NOVA's and (now/recently) RVA's of the world. 

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The rest of the area below the towers minus the parking garage looks oddly similar to the temporary casino plans, which is a choice… I’m curious if that developer’s name might start with a Co and end with an ish…

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2 minutes ago, vdogg said:

The rest of the area below the towers minus the parking garage looks oddly similar to the temporary casino plans, which is a choice… I’m curious if that developer’s name might start with a Co and end with an ish…

true, as well.

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1 minute ago, baobabs727 said:

 

This architecture is VAGUELY reminiscent of Atlantic Park. Hmm.....

I can see that, but I feel that the lower portion under the taller tower on the right looks casino-ish.

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6 minutes ago, vdogg said:

I can see that, but I feel that the lower portion under the taller tower on the right looks casino-ish.

i see both, yah

7 minutes ago, vdogg said:

The rest of the area below the towers minus the parking garage looks oddly similar to the temporary casino plans, which is a choice… I’m curious if that developer’s name might start with a Co and end with an ish…

but do u think that they would crawl into bed with they who shalt not be named...once again...after all of that bad mojo...or is it all
(head)water(s) under the bridge by now?  :--)

Let's scour the universe for answers and clues ....and light this b*t#! (thread) UP!!

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The more I think about it, Cordish being involved makes the most sense. Win win for both. Cordish can finally stop b….ing about being left out, and get another crack at the casino. Norfolk gets a casino developer with a proven track record, even if it is one that they’ve had differences with in the past, and that entire conflict is put to rest. Of course another referendum would be required, but there’s a 90% chance we’ll need another referendum regardless of what happens here anyway.

8 minutes ago, baobabs727 said:

i see both, yah

but do u think that they would crawl into bed with they who shalt not be named...once again...after all of that bad mojo...or is it all
(head)water(s) under the bridge by now?  :--)

Let's scour the universe for answers and clues ....and light this b*t#! (thread) UP!!

Norfolk is in a bad spot. I think they’re open to a lot of options that wouldn’t have been considered before.

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26 minutes ago, vdogg said:

The more I think about it, Cordish being involved makes the most sense. Win win for both. Cordish can finally stop b….ing about being left out, and get another crack at the casino. Norfolk gets a casino developer with a proven track record, even if it is one that they’ve had differences with in the past, and that entire conflict is put to rest. Of course another referendum would be required, but there’s a 90% chance will need another referendum regardless of what happens here.

Cordish is gunning for a Petersburg Casino. Bruch Smith partners up.

 https://www.virginiabusiness.com/article/bruce-smith-teams-with-cordish-on-petersburg-casino-plan/

Would Cordish build both in Norfolk and Petersburg?  Or would they not? Does this article change things re: our supposition here at MacArthur? I suppose not ...since Cordish was trying to build in Richmond earlier.  

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5 minutes ago, vdogg said:

The more I think about it, Cordish being involved makes the most sense. Win win for both. Cordish can finally stop b….ing about being left out, and get another crack at the casino. Norfolk gets a casino developer with a proven track record, even if it is one that they’ve had differences with in the past, and that entire conflict is put to rest. Of course another referendum would be required, but there’s a 90% chance we’ll need another referendum regardless of what happens here anyway.

Norfolk is in a bad spot. I think they’re open to a lot of options that wouldn’t have been considered before.

I would agree. Desperate for a WIN right now. 

Could Yarborough and Pamunkeys have agreed to move their development to MacArthur Center site...at original, full scale?

 

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1 hour ago, vdogg said:

The rest of the area below the towers minus the parking garage looks oddly similar to the temporary casino plans, which is a choice… I’m curious if that developer’s name might start with a Co and end with an ish…

I give you a "D" for effo"R"t.

That's not a grade.

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Holy hell the city is finally embracing it. May MacArthur's memory and legacy live on, but for heavens sake let his mall die off into city history. 

We have been burned bad before, but come on yall, this is the first high-rise news we have gotten in years. At least we know the city is open to drastically redeveloping the mall. Who knows, maybe they got a developer working with them. We dont know yet, but its nice to be excited about something again. 

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Just look at our skyline 

HOWEVER, What the hell is up with Norfolk and wide a## buildings? Why cant we make them tall? Why the heck do we need to make them fat and wide? 

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16 hours ago, mintscraft56 said:

Holy hell the city is finally embracing it. May MacArthur's memory and legacy live on, but for heavens sake let his mall die off into city history. 

We have been burned bad before, but come on yall, this is the first high-rise news we have gotten in years. At least we know the city is open to drastically redeveloping the mall. Who knows, maybe they got a developer working with them. We dont know yet, but its nice to be excited about something again. 

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Just look at our skyline 

HOWEVER, What the hell is up with Norfolk and wide a## buildings? Why cant we make them tall? Why the heck do we need to make them fat and wide? 

To be honest, I don't think it's wise for me to say "what it is" about the plump, short buildings in Norfolk although I have suspicions. But I will tell you an effect it has;  

Tall skyscrapers are inspirational. Entire areas that incorporate tall development inspire moxey and tenacity.  Gives people something to aspire to.  Short buildings can make locals feel their city is little. Especially when these projects are touted as great development.  The whole "it's better than nothing" take will actually, ironically get us nothing. Nothing of the potential true value Greater Norfolk could have. It can be a very effective form of manipulation when weaponized.

Speaking of which....

It definitely keeps the focus on the infrastructure and development that serves Defense. It keeps soldiers from being inspired to leave the military to pursue commerce in Norfolk and keeps defense as the best option for a huge chunk of the population in the 7 Cities. If it looks like we're breaking away from a Defense based mindset the Federal Government could find it threatening

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Well now I guess I can say it. Iv been thinking they should just use MacArthur's existing infrastructure to make a Downtown Casino, ya know with some towers and street grid coming out of it too. 

Then again I think alot of us caught onto that

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If I had it my way and it was feasible, I'd research building an arena smack dab on one of the corners.  I was talking to a security guard at Mac Center about the size of Dillards.  After some light research it would still need a bit more footprint to not be the smallest arena (OKC takes that one, I believe).  If anything, it could just be a little bit taller or maybe dig into the ground a bit.  Talks of Scope doing that but i think the water underground is still there

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13 hours ago, ONCE1stBlvd said:

If I had it my way and it was feasible, I'd research building an arena smack dab on one of the corners.  I was talking to a security guard at Mac Center about the size of Dillards.  After some light research it would still need a bit more footprint to not be the smallest arena (OKC takes that one, I believe).  If anything, it could just be a little bit taller or maybe dig into the ground a bit.  Talks of Scope doing that but i think the water underground is still there

It's too bad Harbor Park is built in a way that basically doesn't allow for an arena to be built there. 50 yards east or west and you could probably fit an arena on the other side.

As for MacArthur becoming the casino, that makes too much sense. You could use much of whats there for a casino and still have plenty of room to repurpose otherwise (hotels, apartments, etc). 

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