Davidson East: East Nashville, Inglewood, Madison, Donelson, Hermitage, Old Hickory

[PaulChinetti]

On 10/15/2024 at 12:03 PM, Bos2Nash said:

Completely agree that it should be a priority, the issue is Metro has alot of priorities haha. 

Metro isn't going to go and rezone/apply new overlays to these office parks on their own dime, so they will be reliant on the private developers - like Al Neyer - who are getting more creative on the land use in these areas. From a Metro specific standpoint, I would like to a process of queue jumping or administrative approval for converting single use land areas to mixed-use/residential use. I believe within codes/permitting that affordable housing developments (such as the hotel/motel conversions) have navigated an abbreviated time table. I would like to see a similar approach here. 

Similar to how many downtowns across the country are working through how to move away from CBDs as 9-5 office workers, these suburban style office parks will face similar challenges in creating a diversity of uses. On top of that, one may begin to look at the infrastructure that was built out for a suburban office park and how that should actually look when bringing in residential units. 

What do you mean on their own dime?

Finding the plots, then having the council do it proactively?

[Bos2Nash]

3 minutes ago, PaulChinetti said:

What do you mean on their own dime?

Finding the plots, then having the council do it proactively?

Their dime as in manpower and time. Planning does have some irons in the fire such as the Edgehill Master Plan (released a couple months back), but they don't have the time/money to do that everywhere. Suburban office parks are a great place to start, but even if we just look at infrastructure for an office park versus infrastructure for mixed-use. They can be quite different. Not to mention when a developer wants to do this kind of change, they are bringing money for said infrastructure improvements (whatever they may be) while Metro would have to lag on those improvements. Then we talk about manpower. We provide one staff member for the entire council. This means the council members (who are already part time employees) need to promote these rezonings and hold multiple community meetings for each. 

While many folks feel like Metro can and should be more proactive, I just don't think they have the time/manpower to really do it. This is why I think Metro needs to have a process to administratively approve more rezonings if the development checks certain boxes.

[Baronakim]

3 hours ago, smeagolsfree said:

It is also better than 95% of the buildings on Dickerson. I would rather have a hundred of these than a bunch a trailer parks.

if your 95% cited were  other than old worn out junk ready to be replaced, I might see your point.  But this is to be new and ghastly.    Bad scale and proportion.  We should expect better.

 

[markhollin]

Envision Cayce, Boscobel V & VI  (4 stories, 400 units?) update: stairwell/elevators shafts rising.

Looking north from Dew St., 1/2 block east of South 6th St:

Looking east from Dew St., 1/2 block east of South 6th St:

Looking SW from South 7th St., 1/8 block south of Sylvan St:

[smeagolsfree]

19 hours ago, Baronakim said:

if your 95% cited were  other than old worn out junk ready to be replaced, I might see your point.  But this is to be new and ghastly.    Bad scale and proportion.  We should expect better.

 

I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Again, this is better than the tall and skinnies being built in the area that dot the hillsides that are mostly Air B&B's that do nothing to help with the overall housing situation in Nashville. At least this business has a brick facade and pretty much fronts the street with no parking in the front unlike much of the rest of the rif raf on Dickerson that has been there for the last 75 years.

You can't get better when zoning allows for it. My suggestion is you sell your home and move to Nashville and get on some of the boards and help change the zoning. sinnce you have the background.

[markhollin]

The dual brand Marriott hotel planned for 751 South 5th St.  (8 stories/105', 265 rooms, 8,000 sq. ft. of ground level retail, internal garage) has  had zoning change approved by the Metro Planning Commission.

More behind the Nashville Post paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/planning-commission-oks-rezonings-for-hotel-projects/article_702aef68-9563-11ef-a534-f3ac6bf1b2ec.html
 

[Baronakim]

6 hours ago, smeagolsfree said:

I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Again, this is better than the tall and skinnies being built in the area that dot the hillsides that are mostly Air B&B's that do nothing to help with the overall housing situation in Nashville. At least this business has a brick facade and pretty much fronts the street with no parking in the front unlike much of the rest of the rif raf on Dickerson that has been there for the last 75 years.

You can't get better when zoning allows for it. My suggestion is you sell your home and move to Nashville and get on some of the boards and help change the zoning. sinnce you have the background.

No input on any board is going to change the fact that poor design will always be possible even with really good zoning.   I feel that inapropriately scaled and out of step buildings will ultimately fail of their own indequacies, so I am not too terribly concerned about this one.  And YES the tall skinnies and other junk up on Fern Street are atrocious and a blight on the city.  But even severely ugly buildings will be built  in spite of good ordinances.   I can say the same thing about the bars lining Division Street over by Vandy.   Ugly and awful.    I was on a Metro mayorial commision decades ago, but then I moved south as I no longer could afford to live in Nashville.  One simply could not earn a living wage at an architectural firm employee in Nashville to afford to buy a home  A senior architect earned less than $60K  until shortly before I retired, so no thanks.  Maybe Candyaisles would be willing to tackle the job.  I am too old.

 

Edited October 29 by Baronakim

[CandyAisles]

9 hours ago, Baronakim said:

No input on any board is going to change the fact that poor design will always be possible even with really good zoning.   I feel that inapropriately scaled and out of step buildings will ultimately fail of their own indequacies, so I am not too terribly concerned about this one.  And YES the tall skinnies and other junk up on Fern Street are atrocious and a blight on the city.  But even severely ugly buildings will be built  in spite of good ordinances.   I can say the same thing about the bars lining Division Street over by Vandy.   Ugly and awful.    I was on a Metro mayorial commision decades ago, but then I moved south as I no longer could afford to live in Nashville.  One simply could not earn a living wage at an architectural firm employee in Nashville to afford to buy a home  A senior architect earned less than $60K  until shortly before I retired, so no thanks.  Maybe Candyaisles would be willing to tackle the job.  I am too old.

 

An individual architect cannot afford a house in Davidson county currently. Better transit, more housing, greater density could alleviate that as a problem but it’s not just architects who can’t afford to own a residence in Nashville.  To your point, I do find it my responsibility to do what I can to help out metro to make good decisions…if anyone wants to hear it from me.

[markhollin]

1401 Gallatin Pike (4 stories, 300 units) update: several sections are topped out.

Looking NW from Gallatin Pike at Odette St:

Looking SW from Gallatin Pike at Welworth St:

Looking west from Gallatin Pike, 1/2 block north of Welworth St:

Looking south from Old Dry Creek Rd., just east of CSX tracks:

Looking SW from Old Dry Creek Rd., 1/2 block east of CSX tracks:

[smeagolsfree]

8 hours ago, CandyAisles said:

An individual architect cannot afford a house in Davidson county currently. Better transit, more housing, greater density could alleviate that as a problem but it’s not just architects who can’t afford to own a residence in Nashville.  To your point, I do find it my responsibility to do what I can to help out metro to make good decisions…if anyone wants to hear it from me.

To that point, I thought Metro was going to hire a Metro architect. Promises, promises, I guess. I do agree there needs to be some building standards set up in Nashville along with contextual overlays along some of these corridors. Metro can't even fix the streets most of the time. I am still not happy with the planning department as they still seem to be 20 years behind where Nashville needs to be as far as thinking and implementation, but so is transit and the current bill if passed will still take forever to build out.

[markhollin]

An East Nashville commercial building that houses meat-and-three Jay’s Family Restaurant — in business for almost 30 years — has been listed for sale for $1.5 million.

Located at 3037 Dickerson Pike, the 2,290-square-foot building opened in 1979 and sits on 0.57 acres. The for-sale property is located near multiple sites either previously/recently developed or eyed for projects.

Austin Davis, the grandson of the late Jay Davis and Charlotte Davis (who opened Jay’s Family Restaurant), owns the property. Charlotte Davis acquired the property in 2015 for $485,000.  David Davis, Austin’s father, owns the restaurant business, which is expected to cease operations once the property sells.  Jay’s Family Restaurant opened in 1996.

More behind the Nashville Post paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/building-housing-venerable-meat-and-three-listed-for-sale/article_c45c2f62-9639-11ef-8592-5fbca621c0d0.html

[CandyAisles]

2 hours ago, smeagolsfree said:

To that point, I thought Metro was going to hire a Metro architect. Promises, promises, I guess. I do agree there needs to be some building standards set up in Nashville along with contextual overlays along some of these corridors. Metro can't even fix the streets most of the time. I am still not happy with the planning department as they still seem to be 20 years behind where Nashville needs to be as far as thinking and implementation, but so is transit and the current bill if passed will still take forever to build out.

Previous administration was ready to hire the City Architect.  Current administration didn't see the immediate need.  I'm not entirely sure the Planning Department is to blame as it could also be a problem of coordination between NDOT and Planning along with private interests.  Throw NES in the mix and things can get difficult to make headway...but agree a City Architect or "common sense czar" would be great.

[markhollin]

5 Points Townhomes (2 stories, 6 units) update: brickwork and cladding underway.

Looking NE from intersection of Forest Ave. and North 11th St:

[markhollin]

4th & Shelby (4 & 5 stories, 289 affordable units, 4,200 sq. ft. of ground level retail, internal garage) will be Phase II of the Samaritan Recovery Community project, and is getting underway with completion planned for 2026.  Once complete,  the total project will have 484 total affordable units. Holladay Ventures and Evergreen Real Estate are do-developing Phase II.  Manuel Zeitlin  Architects and Studio A are in charge of design; Barge Cauthen is overseeing engineering.

More behind the Nashville Post paywall here:

https://www.nashvillepost.com/business/development/work-starts-in-east-nashville-on-mixed-use-building/article_ccc555f8-97b4-11ef-bc81-7f628a18363c.html
 

This screen shot from Smeagolsfree's excellent development map shows the site highlighted in red at the center of the frame:

[markhollin]

Eastland & Riverside (3 stories, 10 townhomes) update.

Looking NW from Eastland Ave., 1/4 block west of Newhall St:

Looking east from Riverside Drive, 1/8 block north of Eastland Ave:

[markhollin]

600 Creative Way (3 & 4 stories, 184 units) update: fully open now.

Looking NW from Creative Way, 1/3 block west of Inspiration Blvd:

Several angles from within the complex:

[markhollin]

Shelby Green (3 stories, 20 homes) update: more houses complete.

Various angles from within development off Eastland Ave., 1/2 block east of Wilsonwood place:

 

[markhollin]

East Trinity & Dozier East (3 stories? 16 units?), Trinity & Dozier West (3 stories? 12 units?) updates: Foundation work underway on East; work starting on West.

Looking SE from intersection of East Trinity Lane and Dozier Place:

Looking SW from intersection of East Trinity Lane and Dozier Place:

[markhollin]

943-947  Woodland (4 stories, mixed-use) update: new fencing up around the site.

Looking NE from Woodland St., 1/2 block east of Mcferrin Ave:

[markhollin]

The Joyce at Creative Way Village (3 stories, 8 hotel units, ground level retail, and 2 story restaurant/bar) will be the final phase of Samaroo Developments' 5 acre Creative Way Village at 555 Creative Way.

The retail shops will mostly consist of food spots and they’re currently in negotiations with a Thai restaurant, a pizza restaurant, a smoothie/cafe and a convenience store.  The Joyce is expected to be completed by fall 2025.

More at NBJ here:

https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2024/11/05/samaroo-development-group-the-joyce-madison.html
 

This screen shot from Smeagolsfree's excellent development map shows the site highlighted in blue at the center of the frame:

[markhollin]

1043 East Trinity Townhomes (3 stories, 8 units) update: western section topped-out.

Looking NE from East Trinity Lane, just east of Dozier Place:

Looking NW from East Trinity Lane, 1/3 block east of Dozier Place:

[markhollin]

Park at 5 Points (mixed-use) update: fencing, erosion barriers up, bulldozer on site.

Looking SE from Gallatin Pike, 1/3 block south of Dozier Place:

[PaulChinetti]

Really stretching that 5 points name haha

[markhollin]

Soren Townhomes (3 stories, 120 units) update: 3rd phase underway.

Looking SE from North Dupont Ave. at Nix Drive:

[markhollin]

Six O Nine (4 stories, 122 units) update: excavation appears complete on hillside lot.

Looking SW from Creative Way, 1/2 block west of Inspiration Blvd:

Looking SE from Creative Way, 3/4 block west of Inspiration Blvd: