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at first i though it was a good idea, but now i agree with the judges. a city's courthouse should be attractive, and prominent. unless the phillips building is renovated inside and out, then there should be new construction.
Look up the new Courthouse in Mecklenburg... obviously Forsyth County does not need anything that big... but that is what a Court House is Supposed to look like.... independant, strong, imposing, balanced... looking at the Phillips building my question is... who is the insider pushing this idea and how is he connected... The Phillips building would be an ill suited embarassment of a Court House...
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New Developments
Bazaar - new multi-purpuse venue... live music and dancing above Downtown Deli... being opened by Owners of Ziggys (which is not closing)... I dfo hope that this turn into a real dance club in downtown winston... enough with the damn Jazz and Blues... not that I have anything against Jazz or Blues... but how about something more lively downtown... I want a place for the ladies to dance.
Ohh and the Tap at West End - (formerly West End Taproom) is Open and nicely done... 100% improvement.
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I previously Listed this awhile back... though I would relist here... with some updates - any more or other news?
Current Projects in downtown Winston-Salem that I am aware of...
old Old Salem Foreign Car building - becoming several small shops (Doo Wop shops) - under renovation
Holly Place (on Holly Ave.) 9 condos - 7 finished construction - 3 sold
Holly Village - 6 Live/Work units - Completed - 5 currently sold.
Westend Village
Phase 1 - under construction - some townhoses occupies - condos nearing completion
Phase 2 - Land Cleared
Phase 3 - sign up - no work
Downtown Ball Park - permitting and final lanning in progress - project approved.
One Vista - land cleared - Under Construction
Trader's Row - mixed use Trade Street Project - Under Construction
Nissen Building Apartments - Completed - 90%+ occupancy
Quizno's moving into one of street level retail spaces
Whistling Women - FOR SALE
mast General Store - speculative Rumors - no location or confirmation
Skippy's (Hotdog Place on 4th) - OPEN
1st Presbyterian Church Expansion - OPEN
Marshal Street Town homes - Under Construction
Gallery Lofts - Under Construction - Model Unit Open
Mellow Muchroom - Open and thriving
Hookah Bar - Open
Recreation Billiards - Open
RJR Tobacco Lounge - Under Renovation
4th & Cherry Restaurant (at 4th and Marshall) - sign in window, no other progress
Contempo Casual - Restaurant Renovation - Failed Project... Contempo will remain in business
Finnegan's Wake (Irish Pub) - Open
Russell Agency - Construction nearing Completion
Research Park Expansion
Approved by all necessary - no actual construction
Southeast Gateway
YWCA - Under Construction
Gateway Residential Condos - construction has commenced
Happy Hill (included here because without this complete and impressive redo no amount of work at the
gateway would be worthwhile - no one would buy next to crime central) - Under Construction
Tar Branch Towers - Completed
Meridian (fine Dining Restaurant) - UOPEN - (And AWESOME)
Old Salem - New private residence - nearing Completion
Bruegers(sp) Bagels - Under renovartion
Goler Manor - Unde construction
Goler Enrichment Center - Under Construction
THE District - proposed (no othe info on this... but there is a nice picture in DWSP's window
Seventh and liberty (not sure but this could be same project as The District)
Liberty Place - proposed - I don;t have a lot of info on this one
XIA - rencently expanded
2nd street Tavern- new bar constructed with almost no attention - OPEN (located directly beside WEV)
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West End Tap room - renovated - now The Tap - Open
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I for one really wish that the NC Legislature really took to NC rail transit and invested heavily... NC is such a great state for this... several large metro areas... beach, mountains... I can imagine a train service more like the ones in eurpoe where you could head down to the station... purcahse a ticket at the window... leave a half hour later and be in charlotte, raleigh, greensboro, winston, wilmington or asheville a little while later... no driving...
NC has so much to offer if you take the state as a whole and if there was a convenient way to get from one place to another I really think that this would push NC onto a new level as far as competing for business and industry.
The services now are simply not convenient... Amtrac is obviously a P.O.S.... I would just love to see NC do it for itself and not rely on the feds to help... the rail system in the US is terrible... just build a two track system... obviously costly.. but I think the long term payoff would be huge.
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i got that impression too after watching the story on Fox8. he seemed not sure about closing.
I saw that too.. the not closing information though is not a feeling... Contempo is Not Closing.... not unless the prospective purcahser comes up with more $... other than that they will stay in business..
Contempo has some nice stuff and was one of the first businesses to move downtown again.. but I kind of wish it would close ... just look at that space and tell me that a furniture store is the best use of it... resturant...b ar... club.. something exciting for people and open at night..... that what I would like to see there.....
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^ i have no idea...hopefully soon.
2 more stores are closing in downtown. the downtown bike shop at the corner of 5th and Liberty will close tomorrow and the Contempo Concepts furniture store on 4th st. is considering moving to Hanes Mall Boulevard. Both blame "lack of parking" as their main reason for leaving downtown.
The Bike Shop is closing...
Contempo is not. They said thery were closing and even had a story written about it in the paper... the reason behind the reason... they were selling the Building to a venture who planned on redoing the space into a resturant. Rumor has it that the deal fell apart and Contempo ... Rumor (from a very good source...) Contempo will remain in business... so much for the parking spaces...
The parking thing kills me anyway... Winston downtown is incredibly easy to park in for an urban area... 9 of 10 times you can find empty on street parking in front of the Courthouse during business hours... try to find that in any other Urban area in the state...
The Contempo space really would have made an excellent resturant space... the building inside is great... dining on that 2nd floor... there is also a basement... perfectly located in the dead blocks between 4th and trade... there really needs to be stuff open there at night to tie the areas together... Contempo is located in the right spot to help with that... thus why someone was buying the building to put a resturant in... really too bad that is not happening anymore.
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Pretty impressive list!
There is no doubt that downtown Winston seems to be exploding. The ballpark is a huge... It extends almost all the way to Westend Village. The most important thing that project does thow is cause the bulldozing of a very High Crime blighted neighborhood right beside downtown. The area that will be under the project had been known for years as a drug area and looking at the existing structures there is nothing in the area wort renovation... (very small houses or houses in such bad shape that they are not worth repair).
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We still need to get a grocer, more mainline shopping, and (IMO) a movie theater established downtown. Add a couple of true nightclubs, and downtown would be hoppin'!
Current Projects in downtown Winston-Salem that I am aware of...
old Old Salem Foreign Car building - becoming several small shops (Doo Wop shops) - under renovation
Holly Place (on Holly Ave.) 9 condos
Holly Village - 6 Live/Work units - Completed - 5 curently sold.
Westend Village
Phase 1 - under construction - model of Townhome Unit Open
Phase 2 - Land Cleared
Phase 3 - planned no work comenced
Downtown Ball Park
City Finance Committee recomended project
Final City Counsel and County Board Votes on incentives are still to come in Earl January
Publice Comment on Project - Jan 3rd.
One Vista - land cleared - Under Construction
Trader's Row - mixed use Trade Street Project - Under Construction
Nissen Building Apartments - Completed - 90%+ occupancy
Quizno's moving into one of street level retail spaces
Whistling Women - Under Renovation
no idea what is going in there but I have heard rumors of a wine bar.
mast General Store - speculative Rumors - no location or confirmation
Skippy's (Hotdog Place on 4th) - Under Renovation
1st Presbeterian Church Expansion - Under Construction
Marshal Street Townhomes - Land Cleared for Construction
Gallery Lofts - Under Construction - Model Unit Open
Hookah Bar - Open
Recreation Billiards Renovation - Open
RJR Tobacco Luunge - Under Renovation
4th & Cherry Resturant (at 4th and Marshall) - sign in window, no other progress
Contempo Casual - Resturant Renovation - Failed Project... Contempo will remain in business
Finnegan's Wake (Irish Pub) - Open
Russel Agency - Construction nearing Completion
Research Park Expansion
Approved by all necessary - no actual construction
Southeast Gateway
YWCA - Under Construction
Residential Condos - Ground cleared for construction
Happy Hill (included here because without this complete and impressive redo no amount of work at the
gateway would be worrthwhile - no one would buy next to crime central) - Under Construction
Tar Branch Towers - Completed
Meridian (fine Dining Resturant) - Under Construction
Old Salem - New private residence - nearing Completion
I'm sure i missed some....
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The new business opening in downtown in the last few months are additng a lot. The wine bar/cafe on 6th street and the addition of Foothills Brewing Co. on 4th present actual options for a good place to go out and have a beer/wine etc. downtown. Its good to have a non-jazz/blues place downtown to go to.
I think that this summer will be the true turnaround for downtown Winston... add up the opening of the Nissen Building and more importantly, the Mellow Mushroom on 4th with the new establishments and the downtown music series and you get the resemblence of a nightlife...
Another place is slated to open on Cherry right at 4th street, not sure what is supposed to go in it... Anyone know for sure?
Downtown Winston-Salem Developments
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I grew up in Winston and had "nothing" to do... I would have loved some sort of Concert series for teenagers at the time... but there was (and may still well be) something wrong with this crowd... typical teenager stuff is one thing... but this was gettign out of hand... The Drop really stemmed from last year towards the end of the year there were sevearl issues with the Jazz on 4th concert... large groups of teenagers, refusing to disburse after the concert... I was up there one night and watched what could only be described as a mini-riot... This year here comes the drop... I don;t know that moving the location is going to fix the problems... but I also don;t know that cancelling the event will solve the problesm either.. at least the event is (ideally) a safe controlled area for teens to hang out at. The shooting and the assaults have generally not happened at the Drop...