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SOme news of note, Frontier is suspending their Cancun flight effective June 1st. We are not the only market to get the cuts as Indianapolis and some others are suffereing cuts due to the right sizing of Frontier. Frontier hasn't been in the best of financial shape for the last few months and this is all part of a restructuring and refocusing by their new CEO. Plus fuel cost and Apple Vacations problems probably played some part in this. Apple Vacations is a major player in the flights to Cancun for Frontier in a number of markets including here.
It's really sad that Frontier is basically receding back to focus solely on Denver ops. It seems as though they are trying to pay attention to competition from Southwest at DEN and hopefully overcome it. Unfortunately, this isn't good news for all of the cities that basically have had to see a reduction in service...
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Does anyone know when the Breda cars will be on the D line?
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You don't read what I write. DL never dropped their prices on the route.
New Orleans is a destination in and of itself. Again, comparing it to Nashville is apples to oranges and a stretch at best. Considering that NY is the single LARGEST domestic market out of BNA, the fact that B6 didn't capture it is their fault. You have to know what you ar e talking about here before you can comment on it NB. Nashville as a metro is growing and growing fast unlike some places. It was wise for B6 to come here and get in early to capture a following. Problem is, they got here and did nothing once they were here. Loads were an issue form time to time, but the yields are what killed these flights. Take and look and you would see that to be the truth. Furthermore, and on a more personal note, you don't live here. You don't have a clue as to the marketing that B6 did when they got here, nor the lack of marketing that happened once they were here. For you to comment on this is just pure speculation, and personal opinion, on your part and nothing else. If I was you, I would stop while I was ahead. You don't open a store to much fan fair and then after a couple of months, stop advertising your pressence. A year was hardly enough time to make it work when effort wasn't given in the first place.
Well, if they are closing stations in the US, then that is a reallignment. Hardly growth when all they do is apply for the routes but don't fly them.
Haha, whatever you want to believe. I do read what you write...you obviously don't read the paper. Check out today's Tennessean. Prior to JetBlue entering the Nashville market, the average BNA-NYC flight was $373...that went down to $177 for Delta...I think you'd call that Delta cutting its prices.
I don't think New Orleans is too much of a high-profile destination these days after Katrina. It's recovering, so it really isn't much of a stretch to place New Orleans and Nashville into the same boat. The added fact that NYC is one of the top destinations from New Orleans is also an added similarity between the two. Furthermore, I keep hearing this blame that JetBlue didn
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NB, the prices haven't came down on the legacies my friend. B6 posed no problems for them from the get go. Why drop your prices when they competition isn't taking your marketshare??
Boston loves them because they fly to a copious amount of places from there. Comparing them(BOS) to BNA is apples to oranges in it's most elementary form. If the other stations of this world want B6, so be it. But whatever, to each their own I suppose. Like I said on A.Net, it is a mistake to leave this market now and not give it a fighting chance. They'll regret leaving in the long run.
And they are hardly doing anything right. They are losing money, losing marketshare, and now losing stations because their management is jacked up. You do realize they have stopped delivery of any new aircraft and have halted growth in their system because of financial worries within the company don't you? That's not a good sign for a young airline trying to make it's name bigger.
Consider this...Delta is competing with JetBlue on the BNA-JFK route, so when B6 is charging $207.30 for the flight r/t (11/14-11/17), Delta charges the same thing...now, when JetBlue is gone and Delta has the route to itself, do you really think that is going to remain at the same price level?
The B6 love goes beyond just its hubs and focus cities. As I mentioned before, they didn't become one of the highest-ranked American carriers on service through New York and Boston alone. My family in New Orleans loves flying on them, and the only destination offered is to JFK. Furthermore, the MSY flights are doing farely well and have been around for quite some time. Like I said, though, it's hit or miss in certain markets, and apparently BNA was a miss. Considering the low load factors from BNA, I really don't see where you're getting that B6 is going to be full of regret...obviously they've given BNA over a year to prove itself.
Losing money is something many airlines were doing over the past few quarters...however, as you corrected yourself, JetBlue posted a profit for the 3Q...and even when it was posting losses, they paled in comparison to the legacies (i.e. JetBlue posted losses last year ranging from $500,000 in the third quarter to $32 million in the first when legacies were losing billions). Furthermore, how are you saying they are hardly doing anything right? They came up with an entirely new system of passenger rights after the Valentine's Day Massacre at JFK, they got a new CEO, they are getting rid of poor performing stations and moving into more lucrative markets (i.e. the Caribbean)...i don't think I'd call that a halt in growth...it's a change in plans.
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It's too bad but if it doesn't work out... no need for them to waste time and energy at BNA. The BNA - LGA/JFK routes should be pretty easy to fill.... what's the deal? Does BNA have main-line service to any New York area airport?
yup. American operates mainline on BNA-LGA
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You are correct. I, along with some others, knew this about a month or so ago. Their service wasn't needed here and after the crap on Valentine's Day, I know for a fact that a number of business' who used JetBlue to get to NY pulled out on them. I f I was Jetblue, I wouldn't expect the MNAA to come crawling back for them in a couple of years. On the contrary, I think it will be the other way around or not at all.
They still have their maintenance here, so we'll still get to see the planes often.
That's kinda harsh...they had a rough Valentine's Day, yet they are still ranked as the top American carrier, so they're apparently doing something right. They may not have worked in Nashville, and that's too bad. However, I don't think they should feel too bad if the MNAA board isn't begging them to come back. People here in Boston love B6, and there are plenty of other stations that do and other cities that want B6 to come. It just varies from place to place. However, once the legacies start jacking the prices up again, you may see the MNAA warming up to a LCC on the BNA-NYC routes.
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I was just reading that JetBlue would be discontinuing service to BNA on Jan. 6.
I saw that too...that stinks because I was going to fly B6 to BNA for a weekend at the end of January
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hey, I posted this on the MEM forum, but it pertains to Nashville too...
BNA-EWR service on Continental is expected go all mainline as Continental drastically cuts its regional jet presence at EWR. It's nice that BNA and MEM will go mainline for at least some Continental flights...
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This is the view from the board room in my office at Clark Tower - 23rd floor.
That's so weird...my dad's office used to be in the 23rd floor of Clark Tower before they moved out to Southwind
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LOL! This IS Northwest we are talking about here. I would be willing to bet they put them in DTW and MSP. It just wouldn't fit their so-called "business model" if they didn't. LOL!!! I would love to see NW start some high dollar, high yeild cross Atlantic flights with a few of the new 787's but I doubt it would happen.
On a side note (rant): The only way BNA would see cross Atlantic flights on an aircraft that is "built" for a market like this would be on a 787. But, since we have no hub here for a legacy airline, we would have to rely on little connecting traffic and almost entirely O&D traffic for the flight to work. With that said, I doubt it will happen. Too bad to, but that's what you get for taking the easy road with Southwest here. This airport could certainly have more, it has and did fine in the past, and it could today. But as long as Southwest is as big here as it is, no legacy will give this market much of a chance. Especially on an international flight (unless it is subsidized by local business').
True. While I'm not really holding my breath, I have heard that the 787 has been mentioned as ideal for international routes out of MEM on Northwest. Primarily because it would make longer runs while having a pax size suitable for the MEM hub. For instance, the long pursued MEM-Tokyo route has been mentioned as possible with this basically because it's the right size...a 747 from MEM to Toyko would be excessive. I certainly see most of the 787s going to DTW or MSP, but I'm kinda curious to see if this could be an aircraft that NW uses to expand international ops from MEM. While Frontier's around, it could happen just because Northwest is hotheaded like that hahaha. I'm surprised American doesn't add some international ops from BNA. RDU still has a subsidized LHR or LGW flight, I believe.
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Well unfortunatly the 787 will not be making an appearance in this area for a while.
ya never know...northwest has some ordered...maybe they'll be friendly and use one from MEM haha
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Scaffdog, I didn't know and I appreciate you letting the people on the forum that didn't know.
haha same.
Does anyone know when work will begin at the Greyhound Station? I went to see Justin Timberlake @ the Forum last night, and on my way out, we all noticed that the Greyhound and the people who own the King's Court Hotel must be sitting on a gold mine because both are pretty much surrounded by great developments.
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Lexy, do you know why Frontier has suspended BNA-CUN service for four months? I find that VERY odd
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To a degree it does contradict what I have said in the past. And maybe things have changed here. I don't know because I don't ask the people in the terminal before they get on a plane here. I assume, and this is just me here, that Northwest is gaining popularity here due to their Asian flights. I dont' know. What I do know is that here recently, NW's loads out of BNA have been better than expected (which has trasferred itself to a upward trend over the last couple of months). This taking place all the while American has seen higher loads and updgraded aircraft here as well.
That's great, and I really hope Northwest does expand; however, I also hope people in Nashville begin to realize that it is much much much easier for them (if they have to connect) to fly Northwest because it's an extremely short flight if they go through MEM and it helps not just MEM but the entire state. However, as you have said, Northwest is a new airline (or trying to be) coming out of bankruptcy, but I wouldn't hold my breath as far as focus cities go just because they haven't worked entirely well for them in the past. The MKE focus city is basically gone and IND hasn't seen immense growth and people have been waiting for an IND-AMS flight for forever. I hope they do add point-to-point destinations, but I wouldn't count on it happening. The newest thing NW has for expansion right now is simply adding these E175s and CRJ190s to routes
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Like I said over there, I have had word from some NW employees on the ground here that something is happening here. What? I have no idea, but it's something. We have to keep in mind that this isn't the same Northwest of last year. They don't do things the same way as they did two years ago and honestly, anything is possible. The point I made over there is if BNA continues to outpace, and outgrow, other NW focus cities and hubs, at some point NW will want a piece of the pie here along with other carriers. A case could more than easily be made to pull down the Focus City in IND and establish one here if they so choose. Why? Because the market (business) is there for it and the O&D is plentiful. That's just simple economics. You go where you'll make the most money and yields out of this airport are better than most cities our size.
I certainly agree with you, but doesn't this contradict what you've said earlier about how people you've talked to claim that Northwest just isn't as popular with the BNA crowd as American or Southwest or US Airways? I would love to see growth from Northwest at BNA, but the only thing I've heard is that there will be additional service with these CRJ-900s and ERJ-175s
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OK, I know how this will come across, but i seriously think miscommunication on airliners.net is transferring over here. The guy on airliners.net who said BNA will be a focus city for the E-175 of Compass means that Nashville will be one of the first cities to see it and that it will play prominently in BNA-MSP ops. He did not mean that Northwest is sprouting a focus city in Nashville. Why would they when the MEM hub is down the road, and according to people on this board, people in Nashville simply prefer AA over Northwest? I'm not trying to be a skeptic, but there is no point in getting a rumor blown up. I certainly think this will be a good thing for Nashville, but I wouldn't expect a large focus city to grow from this.
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I doubt it would happen unless we get charter flights for the Titans on NW. Last year, and the year before that, the Titans used Delta as their airline of choice for transportation. But I have good word from a NW ramper here in Nashville that gate B4 has been readjusted on the ground to handle 757-300's with winglets. I realize that they have to have parking lines for every make and model airplane they fly, but they have always had lines for their 752's. 753's would be used for operations as large as the Titans. And it's also about that time of the year where football charters will be slowly starting up around here so this may signal a new flag carrier for the Titans more than anything else. When Delta comes in for the Titans, Mercury Air Services is the FBO that handles the flight for the Titans. So this may be for something all together different. Who knows.
yeah, that would explain a lot b/c it just seems like Northwest is refitting a TON of its 757s for international service. Hartford, CT has gotten an AMS flight, and I don't think it'll be the last city to get one.
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I'm going to laugh if BNA gets the 757-200 people because I know the people at IND were so stoked and had to wait FOREVER to get a 757 flight out of there, and it's a focus city. I really hope this happens for you guys! I would think it'd go on the Detroit flight just because i know BNA-MSP will be served with mainline and added Compass service on the ERJs. Who knows...BNA-MEM would be cool on a 757 haha. I know those flights are always packed too
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Yes we are. Makes one wonder what is around the corner here.
It'd be neat to see FedEx open up something in Nashville. I'd much rather it be at BNA than in IND
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sounds good. I know Northwest execs were in town this week for a conference downtown about Japanese/TN relations...granted, there could have just been a lot of hot air floating around, but it would be nice to see a flight to Tokyo and then start 757s on NW running BNA-MEM haha...short flight, but o well. i know compass is operating the CRJ-900s at first, so I would guess they would fly BNA-MSP initially just because compass seems to be focused on MSP right now. I think the BNA-MEM routes are all mainline, so I hope that doesn't change. or, like you said, if anything, they just tack on another flight with a CRJ-900 or ERJ-175.
ah, well...I've wanted to try the ERJs with JetBlue anyway. maybe i'll head up on a busy weekend when an A320 does a Nashville run haha
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Well the answer to your "question" lies in who you flew with. Mesa isn't exactly the best regional to fly on unfortunatly.
agreed. A lot of people in the industry refer to Mesa as the Wal-Mart of airlines just because they undercut a lot of the other regionals. Nice pics, Lexy. When did JetBlue upgrade service to an A320? I think I'm going to fly from BNA to Boston on JetBlue (via JFK). I'm excited either way, tho.
btw, i heard that BNA will be one of the airports Northwest will fly its new CRJ-900s into (from MSP). It won't get rid of all mainline, tho, so it's good news. In fact, the new CRJ is supposed to be incredibly nice, so that should be cool.
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lcc is also usair stock symbol
ahh, gotcha. my bad...sorry, with WN and F9 thrown in the mix, i was like, "wait, those are LCCs too!" haha, sorry
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LCC= USAirways
WN= Southwest
B6=jet blue
UAL=United Airlines
F9= Frontier
LCC stands for Low-Cost Carrier. The USAirways codename is simply US.
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I sure hope you're understanding is correct. But, I would imagine that there still must be sales targets that must be met before the loans can be completely done. On the economy note, the Dow Jones Average was down 416 points today. Hopefully that's just a momentary blip. The good news is that a stock market drop will just about assure that interest rates don't go up in the next few months. It fact, it cause interesert rates to go down and make housing investments more attractive.
The stock market drop is primarily the market simply correcting itself after a "honeymoon" phase. It's this coupled with Greenspan's remarks about a potential recession later this year as well as the fact that the Chinese government announced yesterday that it plans to regulate some of its business practices...which could slow down its economy as well as our own...but housing start numbers today were higher than expected...should be a pretty good sign.
Nashville International Airport Development thread
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I didn't even know there was such a flight, but BNA-BOS on Delta will be eliminated starting in early September.