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^That's not a Lifestyle Center, that's a long large Regional Strip Center.
And that is part of the issue with it for the local governments. Also, there is actually a newer version that might still be floating around that has the hotel at the end of the psuedo downtown main street section of the project.
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Poonther is right, that would be a huge boost to the area. You should see the folks up here with their new Cabella's, you would think it's Christmas everyday!
Given the other Bass Pro Shops I've been to, it would take a significant amount of redevelopment to that store/parking lot to make it work. But, I have seen it done. The nearest area of civilization to my former college had a dying mall (Fingerlakes Mall, Auburn NY) that was single-handedly revived by the opening of Bass Pro and they made some amazing alterations to the existing structure to make it all work.
So you went to Wells. As for the Fingerlakes Example, the mall went from the mall that time forgot to being 100% occupied inside of a couple of years, plus a new hotel was built next door and a power center with a Target and some of the other stores we've come to expect across the street. While there might not be enough space along Monroe for some of this to happen, the potential for reinvestment along the corridor would be high.
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I don't know about the design, but the retailer in the picture would be a WONDERFUL addition......
Didn't see the facade, but stretch that out over 1400 feet of frontage, and that might be it.
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Are you moving into the city or one of the suburbs? We lived in the Neighborhood of the Arts a couple blocks from the Eastman House. It's amazing the amount of house you can buy in Rochester compared to Tallahassee, though the houses themselves are vastly different. And Wegmans...*sigh* that's all I can say. I'm insanely jealous.
I'm trying to find a place in the City, either in the Southwedge/Swillburg area or closer to Village Gate, since that is where my office is. While I'm glad I'll be able to shop at Wegmans again, I don't know if I will be able to handle the relentless Fuceillo commercials or attempt to devour a garbage plate at Nick Tahou's.
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Awwwwwwwww....Man! We sure will miss your valued input.
You are moving just in time to return to THE SNOW BELT! Time to break out all the cold weather gear and the all weather boots.
I used to live in Rome, NY. We had winter from October to Late April nothing but SNOW, SNOW, SNOW.
Since being in Florida I haven't looked backed.
Anyway, Congratulations and keep on making the big bucks!!!!
But remember, it's between the two lake effect belts (or at least that's what I need to convince myself after the first time of digging around my car.)
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Aww Rochacha. I desperately want to move back there, its a good town, no end of things to do. Good luck with your move and new job psycuda!
Yes it is a good place. I've been trying to get back there since I graduated from Brockport in 1994, now it's finally about to happen. Besides, now I can actually afford to live in one of those neighborhoods that Urban Planners love to talk about trying to build, only it's already there and not 20 miles from the middle of town where everyone needs a car to get around to work or anything else outside their little bubble.
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psycuda your valuable input will be missed. Ah, you are going to the private sector, hopefully the big bucks will follow. Best of luck and come visit us sometime even if it has to be via the cyber world.
Have you bought that new coat yet?
I figure I'll use the coat I used on vacation every year and just wear some more layers (That's the secret, right). The first thing I do need to get, though, is a good pair of boots. Plus, I might need the big bucks to pay for the heating oil....
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I didn't know where to put this, but here goes.... After a bit over 5 years in Tally and just under 2 years with Leon County, I am moving on and going back to NY to accept a position with a planning firm in Rochester NY. It has been interesting reading your persepctives on development and planning in the Leon County area. While I will no longer be living in town, I will occasionally be lurking on UP, keeping up with what's going on in Tallytown.
Chris
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In regards to the Tallahassee Mall, I found this response from the Syracuse Post Standard's retail blog (Imagine a newspaper paying someone to write about store openings and malls 3 days a week plus a blog) about another of Feldman's malls, Colonie Center in suburban Albany NY. Some food for thought:
Bob, thought there for a second that you'd gone on assignment and headed down to Colonie to the big LL Bean store in Colonie Center. I stopped in the Sunday of their opening weekend, found a big crowd there, and after talking to one of the helpful employees, found out that it was even busier earlier in the weekend. The store isn't huge, but it isn't tiny either. A nice selection of the favorites and popular items from their catalogs, and definitely a must-stop for those who wait with baited breath for those catalogs from Maine.
Speaking of Colonie Center, it's a place that could teach the folks at Macerich something about what they could do at Shoppingtown. When the current owner bought the mall several years back, there were 3 strong anchors (Sears, Boscov's, and Macy's), but a lot of empty storefronts and "seasonal" stores. Christmas Tree Shops was also drawing a lot of traffic, but it seemed that the specialty shops chose Crossgates Mall, and defected to there.
An interior renovation of the mall was done (not that the place was that shabby), and an upscale Adirondack lodge look for the interior was the result. With this commitment, they were able to lure new destination retailers and restaurants to the mall (LL Bean, PF Chang's, Cheesecake Factory, Steve & Barry's, and Barnes & Noble, to name some), and lure a new theater complex to a highly visible perch on top of the existing mall. Most of these new tenants were built into remodeled space facing Wolf Road (pretty equivalent to Erie Blvd.), with entrances both into the mall and out to the parking lot. Call it a hybrid lifestyle center/mall. Point is, they didn't have to bulldoze anything, but were able to make it a trendy, hip place to shop. I'd anticipate that the place will be filled in a short time.
So IMHO, Macerich needs to put their money where their mouth is, spruce up ol' Shoppingtown, and agressively go after tenants. Waiting on DestiNY, and Bob Congel's ever-changing vision of "what" it's really going to be, is being short sighted. There's room for more than one major mall in the Syracuse area, and Shoppingtown is perfectly poised to become the trendy, hip place to go. That is, provided Macerich actually does something soon.
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1) They will be when the site plan applications, concurrency applications, etc come into the County Growth Management offices on top of what has already been submitted to the planning department and the RPC.
2) That is one of their greatest obstacles, and one that Colonial (the developer) will ,in all probability, be contributing a large sum of money toward fixing , along with helping to fund one or several StarMetro routes along Mahan Drive and maybe a couple of other smaller items. These details are amongst the several to be worked out in the coming months between Colonial and the various governments involved. As far as I-10, this is a point that the developer is trying to make, but when you are talking about a million square feet of commercial space, it requires people to come from all directions, not just the interstate.
psycuda I'm not sure what the application fees are in North FL, but for a project that size and w/that many reviews would have cost the developer tons of money in application fees alone where I use to work.Another question for you psycuda: how is Pinnacle getting around the great obstacle of a two-lane Mahan? I know the whole project isn't going to happen at once, but even w/just the Mall section looks like they'd have trouble w/concurrency from the potential traffic generated?? I'd think the road as it is must be at capacity or nearly there now? From what I understand, the Mall portion wants to be built before Mahan is widened? Is my understanding correct? And if so, how do they propose handling the heavy traffic count it will generate? I assume I-10 will be used to absorb most of those?
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A proposal really isn't much to go on. Nothing official as of yet.
(putting on local government employee's hat)Actual proposal meaning the applicant has an application in process with the Regional Planning Council to try to get approved. That is as official as one can get.(Taking off local government employee's hat)
TALLAHASSEE
Pinnacle at Cross Creek
Physical Address: 6512 Mahan Drive
IMAGE COMING SOON!
Jurisdiction: County
Main Parcel ID: 12-18-20-001-0000
Summary: 400 Residential Units. 300,000 sq.ft. of office, and 1,140,000 sq.ft. Shopping, 60,000 sq.ft. movie theater, 200 Hotel Rooms
Status: Under Review
Completion: Fall 2009
Colonial Properties{sodEmoji.|}DeVoe Moore
Website: http://www.colonialprop.com/companyinfo/ne...p?reqid=1004476
Zone: I
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We do? Last I heard nothing has been finalized nor permits, studies, etc. filed. Has something changed since then? As far as I know, it is still just a rumor from the property owner.
It is an actual proposal now, and has been for about 2 months.
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When you say on-site workforce housing, Psycuda, are you talking in terms of an out parcel apartment/condo/townhome develoment?
I just went back and read what you wrote and I'm uncertain of what you envision when you say that space formerly inhabited by Burlington could be used as workforce housing? Could you be a little clearer about your vision for this space?
And I totally agree with you on the point you make about Panera and the Guitar Center store with dual access. I also feel something should be done with Ross, and that Shoe Store at the far end of the mall. I propose an alternative to finding a new anchor (if efforts are unsuccessful) for the soon to be vacated Dillard's department store could be to allow Goody's to take that space, Ross and the Shoe Store Next to it could move into the vacated Goody's, tear down that white wall that seperates that portion of the mall from the rest of it, erect some glass panes, extend the hall way through those stores and bring in a Best Buy (or similar store) to fill the remaining area.
I mean literally, as in a 3-4 story building with direct access to the mall by utilizing parking area that is hardly used right now, or the possibility of incorporating housing in the outdoor center component. I do agree with the sentiment about redesigning the section of the mall in the vicinity of Ross, since having to go outside to get to these stores is a pain.
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As a neighbor of the Tallahassee Mall area, I can agree with many of the sentiments posted on this site. The things that I could see that would benefit not just the mall but the neighborhood as a whole are the enhancement of pedestrian access points into the mall (walking on grass and mud and across parking lots/drive aisles is not the safest option out there), the enhancements to transit service (which both Feldman and StarMetro would like to see, based on conversations with Star Metro and the TalTran Renaissance Plan), and the possibility of including a more mixed-use component to any renovation/remodel of the Mall. I also agree that the soon to open Panera Bread store could serve as the second step in the redesign of the area facing Monroe St to be an outdoor center component (except I would like to see both exterior and interior access to this store, unlike the Guitar Center store). As far as the area formerly inhabited by the Burlington Coat Factory, perhaps some incentive for on-site workforce housing can be provided by Feldman (in conjunction with the city and county) that would benefit all parties.
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when is the pinnacle set to start construction?
Not for at least another year....
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I think it would be kinda of neat to have a Dave & Buster's take over at the soon to be deceased Dillards. Tally Mall would be seen as the entertainment mall (AMC 20, Barnes and Nobles, Dave & Busters providing the games/pool/food/ complex side of things) while Governor's Square would be our fashion mall (god willing we eventually have Governor's parcels totally full and completely redone to take out the disco vibe poother mentions!)
I wasn't thinking about a D & B here, but it would work. As far as the Sears goes, they might want to close the K-Mart on the Parkway and move it here and call it a Sears as a compromise.
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As much as I'd like to see Sears make that move, I highly doubt that the company would leave Governors Square to do so. Another option would be to convert that section of mall into a 2 level Target (Although I highly doubt that is is in Target's plans, since a 4'th store in town might not work for the time being.)
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Now on what do we base our inability to get another full line department store to come to town?
Reality, since Neiman Marcus and Bloomingdales aren't coming to a metro of 300K with Tallahassee's demographics, Saks sold their store here to Belk for a reason, and there are no other viable options within 700 miles of here that aren't here already.
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Now that the impending closing of Dillards is official, what do you see taking this store's space in the mall? I hate to say it, but based on the demographic that is shopping the mall here, and the inability to get another full-line department store to come into town, I would go with Steve and Barry's in this location for at least part of the space.
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Panera Bread Company Coming to Tallahassee Mall
Interior renovations have commenced and are expected to be completed late this year and into early 2008. In addition they are finalizing construction on Burlington Coat Factory which includes taking back space. "That portion of the Burlington Store has prime frontage to the interior and exterior of the mall, and several new tenant prospects are already in advanced lease negotiations for that space. We recently signed a lease with Panera Bread at the Tallahasee Mall and expect to pursue several other additional restaurant names this year and into 2008." -2006 4th Quarter year end conference call held May 2007.
Ok, another reason to renew my lease on this side of town, especially since driving across town to go to Panera is a pain.
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Here is a link to an article about another mall owned by Feldman, the Colonie Center in suburban Albany, NY
http://www.labelscar.com/new-york/colonie-center
Hopefully, Feldman will be bringing some of these retailers into town.
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It would be nice if our new arena has some NBA firsts and broke some records such as amenities and never seen before in an arena type retail, maybe like a rollercoaster on top or something- nah im just kidding! LOL. I just hope that its architectual design is stunning and different than the typical cookie cutter arenas around the country. Im sure I speak for most of us when I say what a sigh of relief that this thing is going downtown. Out of all the projects in the Orlando forum this one has got me the most excited and im finally starting to realize how great Buddy Dyer is for this city. I pledge that we all chip in for a gold statue of buddy standing proud in front of the new arena!
Heck, for nearly 500 million dollars, you'd think that putting a charter or magnet school in the building would be possible as well, specializing in training for broadcasting, sports management, facilities management, and sports medicine. Between this and the Buddy Dyer Darden Performing Arts Center (I think he will get his name on this one, not the arena), on top of what's already in place, the gentrification of Parramaore is close at hand.
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Yeah Ghost, you just gonna tease us w/that job description?
Big advocate here too of infill, but it's hard to do in this town b/c of all the NIMBY's. We need to educate the NIMBY's about the benefits of infill and the evils of sprawl.
Welcome!
Ahhh, the joys of my job (LOL).
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Only in Tally could we take pride in a man who's famous for singing/rapping about being in love with a stripper
Best of luck and come visit us sometime even if it has to be via the cyber world.
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MAybe not so much with Destin Commons, since all it is is a regular mall that is missing a roof and has a street running through the middle of it, surrounded by a moat of parking from 98 and 263.