[Nashville International Airport Development thread]

Are there any plans for us to get any significant international flight schedules. I only recently realized how lucky folks in LA, ATL, or Boston are with their direct flights abroad. It'd cut down total trip time by almost half for us folks. 

[Project Thread/New Construction/Photo du jour/Const. CAMs]

On 4/7/2022 at 6:03 AM, markhollin said:

TBT:  The skyline looking from the SE in 1949.
 

No way it's the Vorhees building on 8th. Looks like the Ryman is within a block of it.  Might be the brick condos next to the Renaissance Hotel

[Inner Loop - CBD, Downtown, East Bank, Germantown, Gulch, Rutledge]

25 minutes ago, markhollin said:

There's an entire thread committed to the Cummins Station area developments, which will be called The Station District.
 

 

Apologies. I was just responding to another comment. 

[New Titans Stadium (60,000 capacity dome, ground level retail, directly east of Nissan Stadium)]

I think it's extremely lame that they're planning to make this a dome. Retractable roofs or partial roofs are way better. Players should be playing in the elements. The Bills of all teams are building another outdoor stadium because they get it!

[Inner Loop - CBD, Downtown, East Bank, Germantown, Gulch, Rutledge]

2 hours ago, natethegreat said:

Skyline shot from the W hotel. Nicest hotel in the city, in my opinion.

Is there anything planned for Cummins Station and the parking deck in front of it? Seems like a lot of potential there

Heard from someone who works for one of the tenants at Cummins station. The building isn't going anywhere. However, they have the structural ability to build up to 6 or 8 stories I believe. I for one think that's a good thing. Cummins Station has always been a massive landmark to me and a really cool building. They did renovations on it very recently too so I don't think it will ever be torn down. Renovations, however, may happen. 

The parking garage behind the building is going to be developed at some point. From what I heard, the owner of Cummins stations (I'd have to go on the accessor to find out what holding company that is) owns 3 or 4 parking lots and garages along the rail roads down there and all will eventually be developed. I heard this 3ish years ago so it's possible some of that development on 11th in the gulch were from their war-chest of properties. 

[Davidson West: Bellevue, Bordeaux, Green Hills, MetroCenter, Nations, N Nashville]

45 minutes ago, ThunderOne said:

Seems like the lack of parking is why that area is underutilized, but then again, lack of parking is the standard in Nashville.

Hasn't stopped Headquarters, Rhino Books, and some of the other businesses over there from thriving. I think the biggest issue is just the dilapidated store fronts and probably the intensity of automobiles on Charlotte. 

[New Titans Stadium (60,000 capacity dome, ground level retail, directly east of Nissan Stadium)]

16 hours ago, KJHburg said:

the reason I ask is that there is rumblings of a new stadium here in Charlotte for the Panthers.  However our relatively new owner said it might be 1/3 local money. 1/3 his money, 1/3 from the sale of PSLs which we already have those so I guess they will increase in price.  It seems further off though like a couple of years and our MLS team Charlotte FC pays in the stadium now and would continue to share a stadium no matter what happens.   He Mr Tepper our owner to the MLS he was not going to build a soccer only stadium given the massive success of the Atlanta team that shares the Mercedes stadium with their NFL team. 

Don't quote me on this but the other prevailing rumor on the titans forum is something along the lines of 1/3rd team funded, 1/3rd State funded, and the rest funded by tourism/hotel taxes and other revenue streams not related to property taxes. I hope that's true because people might lose their minds with another property tax increase during this economic period. 

[New Titans Stadium (60,000 capacity dome, ground level retail, directly east of Nissan Stadium)]

21 hours ago, KJHburg said:

How is this stadium being financed i.e. who is paying for it?  I just read a Nashville Biz Journal article and it seemed to say it was not taxpayers.  Is that true?

On our titans forum a guy who I respect and believe says there have been talks about 1/3 being funded by the State of TN.  Apparently this deal would also allow the city to develop some of the parking areas around the stadium for standard development but also to potentially relocate TPAC. I don't know who this guys sources are so this is just a rumor but he's been right on other stuff before. 

[New Titans Stadium (60,000 capacity dome, ground level retail, directly east of Nissan Stadium)]

2 hours ago, MLBrumby said:

Take a look at what Cincinnati did to their riverfront (I think they even call it "the Landings") where they demolished an existing "cookie cutter" stadium and built separate baseball and football stadiums nearby. They used the footprint of the the old stadium to build a massive parking garage under blocks of condos and restaurants. Someone here recently did some math, and it's not a stretch to think a lot of the financing could be underwritten by private development. I suspect the details are what is being hashed out between the various parties. I just don't know if a revamp with a retractible roof will even be looked at seriously.  I hope they're getting deep dives on all viable options, but I suspect Nashville and the Titans already agree that they're going to get a brand new roofed stadium. I think the discussions are more how to sell it to the public. 

I'm afraid you're probably right. 

[New Titans Stadium (60,000 capacity dome, ground level retail, directly east of Nissan Stadium)]

As a titans fan and someone who's father has season tickets, I'm torn on this. On one hand it'd be great to have a nicer stadium, on the other hand, the opportunity to do that was when the team moved here. I'll repost what I said in another titans forum:

 

Personally, I think it's absurd to construct a brand new stadium when ours is only 22 years old. I understand the stadium was bare bones even for the early 2000's and I also get the cost analysis makes sense to just build a new one at a certain point, but the wastefulness and environmental impact of essentially scrapping thousands of tons of steel, concrete, electronics, and plastic is just asinine.

If TN and the EPA weren't so weak, there would be immense environmental regulations to make these sorts of tear downs way more costly. What happens with all of that crumbled up concrete and rebar? Where do all those plastic seats go? A functional, forward thinking society should be able to assess more than just the cost of construction and look at the cost of disposing of the kilotons of concrete, steel, and plastic that currently make up our stadium. Renovating is obviously a much more efficient use of all resources. Building a new one is only a more efficient use of monetary resources. 

And also, imagine the crap storm this will cause if Cooper goes out and issues 1 billion in bonds after hiking everyone's property taxes to (ostensibly) pay off the last big wave of big capital expenditures. 

[Soccer in Nashville]

Man. I've been away too long and haven't visited the area on my return trips to Nashville. Didn't even realize they had the structure so close to finished. I'm really excited about this. 

[Nashville Bits and Pieces]

On 2/11/2022 at 2:43 PM, Licec said:

Yep we need to ban Single Family Homes and make everyone live in apartments because 1,000 new homeowners have a 1% chance of getting flooded. I wonder who would be excluded from this ban and would be allowed to live in their own home. No need to guess because we know who will be Left out of such a crazy policy.

No one said anything about banning SFH's. We should however, ban future SFH's in many areas of the city for the sake of density and future transit projects (though property taxes are making this essentially guaranteed) . We also should removed any mandatory single family zoning requirements (similar to what Minneapolis did) and allow townhomes, fourplexes, and small apartments just about anywhere. 

[Davidson West: Bellevue, Bordeaux, Green Hills, MetroCenter, Nations, N Nashville]

On 1/12/2022 at 1:02 PM, Mike G said:

This is exciting! That stretch is very difficult to traverse on foot. Hopefully it will mean the shops across from Richland park become more desirable and the vacant storefronts will fill in

Hard to say. Rhino Books, Headquarters, and some of the other shops have been holding on for years while others sat empty. I'd guess some of the property owners have been waiting to accumulate multiple locations and the reason for their desertion has less to do with a lack of foot traffic and more to do with property accumulation. 

On 1/10/2022 at 3:23 PM, smeagolsfree said:

My guess is they will put some sort of affordable housing here. Elmington is not known to just simply sit on a property for long, so I would expect some community meeting to start happening soon for this property.

I hope so. I've been driving by that location for a decade thinking how could cool it would be if it had some sort of row house situation going on. These townhomes below are brand new in Atlanta. Mixing something like these in with retail facing Charlotte could be a major game changer. 

[Davidson East: East Nashville, Inglewood, Madison, Donelson, Hermitage, Old Hickory]

10 minutes ago, gannman said:

The 5 Spot is well insulated. They shouldn't have any noise issues.

They accused me of bringing a beer into the bar once and kicked me out 10 minutes after I payed a $10 cover. They refused to give me my money back even though I tried to explain the situation.

I did not, in fact, bring a beer in (my friends did and I was the one who took the fall) so I've never returned there and would be fine with them getting in trouble for noise ordinances. 

[Project Thread/New Construction/Photo du jour/Const. CAMs]

I'm starting to think we don't need a signature tower-esque building anymore. I think it's kind of nice to have just a mid size high rise skyline that sprawls a bit. Cities like Rio, Barcelona, or Vancouver don't have a single super tall monument like Chicago but they're still fairly recognizable cities and it has zero impact on the actual inhabitants of said cities.  I think we should strive for the 5-7 stories with mixed uses at the street level. 

[Nashville Bits and Pieces]

On 2/8/2021 at 5:15 PM, smeagolsfree said:

China is banning skyscrapers over 500 meters and copycat architecture.

 

I think this is a great move. These super tall buildings are really problematic. Check out this article on the issues with 432 Park in NYC. The building is a 1400' super skinny condo and residents are already starting to show concern for the structural integrity. Most of the residents spend very little time there as well. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/03/realestate/luxury-high-rise-432-park.html 

[The Transportation and Mass Transit Megathread]

1 hour ago, smeagolsfree said:

I think they are planning the bus transit centers in outlying areas and doing some cross town routes. That was in one of the original plans I remember reading about. I am unsure how successful they will be as the ridership will be low.

Bus transit is pretty much a waist of money in a city with the traffic woes that Nashville has to move a large number of people. A true BRT or LRT system is what is needed not to mention a regional plan. Metro doing something by itself is the wrong way to go. The Mayor should have been in contact with the state and surrounding mayors to come up with a better plan that works.

The core has to be fixed first, no the other way around.

Welcome to the froum Thrill!

Thanks everyone! I've been a lurker for about 10 years or more. I started following Nashville development back in the Skyscrapercity days when we all thought Signature Tower might happen! In no small part due to these forums, I'm applying for Urban Planning Master's programs as we speak. 

I'm sad to hear about the transit centers being pretty minimal and I agree buses are pretty awful in Nashville and won't change without private bus lanes that bypasses traffic issues. I'm not sure how we could get to this stage, but having a regional planning department would be really useful considering the Metro area spans all the way to Spring Hill and Clarksville at this point and encompasses quite a few different cities and counties. 

[The Transportation and Mass Transit Megathread]

Has there been any additional information about the addition of the 11 transit centers? I've always thought one of Nashville's biggest issues with bus routes is that they all return to downtown to restart their routes. It would make neighborhood routes much easier if they could just return to a Station in the middle of the neighborhood like the Bellevue Mall area or the Bobby's dairy dip area of charlotte pike. This way the buses that go downtown only have to make it to that central spot and then shorter routes connect you to smaller non arterial streets. Ideally the connectors to downtown would be trains but this would be a solid start.