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RDV zoning is still an illegal zoning ordinance that is arbitrary and capricious 

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What I'm saying is the city would not have spent the resources to update Perry Avenue without the expectation of increased traffic.If a road diet is implemented on Pendleton St, Perry and adjacent residential streets will see more traffic during rush hour.Why push overflow traffic unto residential streets when you already have a four lane street ready to accommodate future growth and traffic?

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6 hours ago, GvilleSC said:

That's the funny thing. He IS the landlord. He gets to decide what he charges his tenant.

Obviously you've never had to negotiate a business rental agreement.

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You don't believe that the city scraped Perry Av. to the roadbed and repaved it for the exclusive use of the people living on Perry do you?

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 If Pendleton St has a road diet and traffic backs up I guarantee that people will use every parallel road to access 123 when coming from Augusta St and Vardy.Including coming down  a freshly paved Perry Ave. 

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12 hours ago, vicupstate said:

VEEEERRRYYY   Interesting.......

The group that bought the Citgo station property at Mallard and Pendleton apparently has now purchased the office building at 607 Pendleton, the vacant lot next to it at Mallard and Pendleton, and the parking lot behind the office building that fronts on Arlington.  These sales closed on 1/6/22.

The office building sold for $2,475,000.  It had sold in June of 2016 for 1,890,000. 

The vacant lot (.53 acres) and the parking lot (.633 acres) together sold for 1.2 mm.  

The buyer had spent $2.5mm for the Citgo property on 7/1/21.  (1.15 acres).

 

   

 

 

 

How long is the traffic analysis for a project like this going to take? The traffic on Leach St. seems to be an issue for a much smaller proposal.This project and any future development at the former unemployment office would bring a sizeable increase in automotive traffic to Pendleton St. DO YOU WANT OVERFLOW TRAFFIC COMING DOWN PERRY AVENUE TO 123 DURING RUSH HOUR? It will if Pendleton St is backed up.

 

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1 hour ago, vicupstate said:

VEEEERRRYYY   Interesting.......

The group that bought the Citgo station property at Mallard and Pendleton apparently has now purchased the office building at 607 Pendleton, the vacant lot next to it at Mallard and Pendleton, and the parking lot behind the office building that fronts on Arlington.  These sales closed on 1/6/22.

The office building sold for $2,475,000.  It had sold in June of 2016 for 1,890,000. 

The vacant lot (.53 acres) and the parking lot (.633 acres) together sold for 1.2 mm.  

The buyer had spent $2.5mm for the Citgo property on 7/1/21.  (1.15 acres).

 

   

 

 

 

Sounds like they are planning something big,how would that impact traffic on Pendleton St ?How would it impact Pendleton St after the proposed road diet?

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9 hours ago, GMoxley said:

Except this property wasn't RDV, it was RM-2. It was before the Planning Commission because the owner was subdividing lots. That said, I'd be curious to know the PC's stated reason for reject this application. Seems to be consistent with the present use of the property and surrounding areas.

I forgot that the Stone family trust had their RM rated properties added to RDV and that the Enigma corporation had RDV changed to C3. On the other side of Pendleton St.I would think that proposal was within the RM-2 zoning regulations.Seems that the city is setting itself up for another lawsuit.It appears that's  how they like doing business.

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10 minutes ago, GMoxley said:

Except this property wasn't RDV, it was RM-2. It was before the Planning Commission because the owner was subdividing lots. That said, I'd be curious to know the PC's stated reason for reject this application. Seems to be consistent with the present use of the property and surrounding areas.

Sorry,my wrong.Still, seems arbitrary. 

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This is an example of how RDV is arbitrary and capricious.This area needs a traditional set of zoning classifications that specify rights and restrictions clearly.

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That's good,nice to see some of these empty spaces being occupied.

 

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1 hour ago, vicupstate said:

Have you ever approached the owner of the vacant lot next to your property about selling?  Having both properties would increase the value of both very significantly.  Just wondering if you ever pursued that. 

We tried to buy it in 1991,the owner was not interested in selling it at that time.Our father bought one lot in 1967 with a boarding house on it that later caught fire and was torn down.After the city took our former property in the plaza Bergamo he wanted to stay downtown to serve our customers,so we bought another lot on the opposite side. During the construction he had a stroke.Thats how we came to be on Pendleton St. 

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23 hours ago, gman430 said:

I like this guy. I just might have to eat at OJ’s Diner tomorrow.  We should even have a UP meet up there for lunch sometime. 

We've come to a new lease agreement with Greg and Jordan at OJ'S until the end of 2025 after extending our prior terms for a year due to the hardships that restaurants have had to endure  with Covid.It would be a pleasure for me to attend an UP meet up and discuss our differences on the vision for Pendleton St without the thumb of the city involved in the say.

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1 hour ago, vicupstate said:

903 Pendleton St. sold for $800k on 12/15/21.  It sold for $540k in late 2019.

 

 

Does that account for physical improvement/expenditure to the structure or is that pure profit on an unimproved flip?

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1 hour ago, GMoxley said:

Good. Slowing down traffic will increase foot traffic and, consequently, business patronage on the street.

Downtown depends on business not only from local residents.People coming from out of town will be likely be driving not riding a bicycle or walking.Access into the city would be restricted for visitors and emergency services/vehicles alike as well.

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This is the traffic now with the road front nearly vacant. What about the future with hopefully some new retail,service and residential growth.Trafic would back up to Main St.and beyond.

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Traffic backup on Pendleton St turning on to 123 at 4pm.Where is all this  traffic going to back up to if the proposed Road Diet is adopted?

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5 hours ago, vicupstate said:

Did Family Legacy fight the rezoning? I don't remember it if they did. 

Not that I know of

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While we're happy to see the new addition to the neighborhood,let me remind you that the Trehel /Cargo building is rated C3.It was a simple matter of going to get a pemit.Doesn't that seem unfair to the Family Legacy building on the same block which is still unoccupied on the ground level and has to conform to RDV zoning restrictions?

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48 minutes ago, vicupstate said:

Is that what is going in there? 

Long-standing hair salon shows how a business can evolve - UPSTATE BUSINESS JOURNA

WOW hair salon says the sign and UBJ.

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3 hours ago, vicupstate said:

It looks like the first floor of the Trehel/Cargo building won't be vacant much longer.  A $564k building permit was issued for the space on 12/02/21. 

That's going to be one expensive hair salon 

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 Thank your city of Greenville and RDV zoning for the growth.Main St. is booming a couple of blocks away.

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4 hours ago, gvegascple said:

You just listed two developments that have come to Pendleton recently in your own argument that businesses will not come so no need to respond to that.    Slowing traffic increases safety and allows for a focus on businesses instead of zooming past them.  Your current view seems to be dependent on Pendleton remaining just an automobile focused higher speed thoroughfare to the village.  I would expect density on Pendleton to only increase going forward.  Instead of focusing on how to cling to how things were, for your business there, it might make more sense to look at how to adapt to how things are and will be going forward.  This area is going to become more valuable as an existing business owner not less.  The spot you mentioned under Trehel is slated to become the new owner of WOW's location if I am not mistaken.  The gas station that was demolished is slated for a mixed use development and I believe a coffee shop.  Residential infill is happening along secondary streets.  Foot and cyclist traffic is increasing as the street becomes safer to walk and ride on and more people move to the area.   You seem to be looking for examples to confirm your bias and its clouding your view of what is happening around you.  

I don't see why this always ends up being a personal attack. My bias and cloudy view aside, All we want is to see some growth and prosperity on Pendleton St. 

 

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If you look at the photo both the Family Legacy building and the Trehel building have vacant floor level retail space and have for some time.Businesses will not come to Pendleton St already because of RDV,how would restricting access help?That proposal makes it nice for pedestrians and cyclists,but if it's not retail friendly what does it leave Pendleton St as? Only a conduit from Main St.to the Village at West end?

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Both of those proposals have an elevated 4 foot wide median.Both of those proposals would be detrimental to free flow of traffic,and business development.The most economic,safest option is to route bicycle traffic down Perry then back onto Pendleton St via Leach and then across 123 to the Village.Logical and Simple.