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On 9/13/2021 at 7:10 PM, klstorey said:
Society is quickly rising in downtown. I watched them pour these columns the other day. This is looking from in front of the courthouse. The Livingston side is already giving the area that urban canyon feel.
The area around the courthouse is really coming alive. I think this will be that big final project to make this area feel like a part of downtown. I know some on here have said they'll miss the views of the courthouse but I think this building will add a nice layering to the skyline. At lunch time, the south side of the courthouse has a lot of activity. That should improve even more once the retail at Radius opens. The construction workers from Society are keeping the 7-11 and Dunkin in Central Station open.
Has any of the retail for Society been announced? I'm surprised at how little retail the MAA Robinson building has. This area needs more dining options that are open in the evenings. It also could benefit from a DGX or other urban store. Hopefully whatever eventually comes to the Orlando Sentinel site will include a heavy amount of retail. I'd love to see something like a more urban SODO there. Mosaic in the Virginia suburbs of DC is about what I'm thinking. There's plenty of residential in this area, now it needs some entertainment and shopping.
Thanks for the update Ken, awesome pictures! I agree some some cool new retail combined with all the new residential would really liven the side of downtown up. Hoping this area synergizes with UCF Downtown and the new EA headquarters to create a vibrant neighborhood around Lynx Central.
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So This is under construction finally?
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On 2/5/2021 at 7:58 AM, Urban Mail Carrier said:
A tax referendum in 2022 is risky.. Tax referendums are more inclined to pass during presidential elections. Osceola presented a tax referendum during a midterm election and it failed.
Osceloa's tax referendum was actually on the ballot during the May primary in 2019 and had no real plan behind it, almost like they wanted it to fail. Hillsborough passed their sales tax in 2018 with 57% and they are more conservative than Orange county. I think the biggest issue is whether tourism demand returns by 2022; voters will probably be less inclined to increase taxes if the economy is not doing well, especially since low income theme park workers are the largest group of transit riders in the area.
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Saw this crane up today, glad this is finally happening! Hopefully all these new apartments bring more food retail in this area. The fast casual options are very lacking downtown, I usually just end up going to Publix for a subway if I'm downtown and want something fast.
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10 minutes ago, SantiStark said:
I do believe there is a perfectly easy way to extend Geneva south, acquiring easements from property owners and plowing through some surface parking and a couple grassy bits, it would be a rather small alley too. If you look at Trinity Church's original expansion plan here, they were planning on putting a little road there in the first place too. One of the hindrances to it being straight is, from what I can tell, was the travelodge property, why not rectify it now?
Also, I'm looking at Magnolia, and this general area, from a North to South perspective, not east to west. Obviously height limits aren't changing in the Lake Eola district, but I envision decent height and mixed use along Magnolia in a couple years. With the last empty lots on Orange quickly being developed , Radius under construction, and the Sentinel blocks still in play, N-S Magnolia/Robinson to N.Orange Ave is prime to be central arterial (rivaling Orange ave) in a couple years. And what a shame it will be if up and down Magnolia we have driveway after driveway breaking up the urban form.
Overall, I just think the mindset has to change. Parking needs to become more difficult to find, people need to start making less, short distanced trips, VMTS have to go down, developers need to know that surface level parking, hidden or not, will not be acceptable downtown anymore (pipe dream I know but maybe if we had a more progressive mayor it wouldn't be). Minneapolis, Seattle, Portland, etc. etc. did not get to where they are today without first taking baby steps.
And thank you! Sorry I just worked a 10 hour day and was in.. a mood lol.
Couldn't agree more! I for one would like parking minimums to go away and let developers build as much parking as demand warrants, as well as charging market rate for Parking, but before any politician promotes such progressive parking policy, we need high quality transit for people to commute into downtown without driving. Portland, Minneapolis, and Seattle all have frequent light rail to travel into their Downtown's. Infrequent weekday only commuter rail won't cut it.
I also would like Magnolia and Orange to be reduced from 3 to 2 lanes, which would make downtown much more pedestrian friendly as well.
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On 3/18/2019 at 3:41 PM, dcluley98 said:
Mill Creek in CV.
X-Orlando/Golden Sparrow are the same project, and are the next approved. Zoi House is the other one proposed across from X-Orlando along with Magnolia Hotel. Out of those, I would say X-Orlando is farthest along, with an approved design and a greenfield site.Ah yes I was thinking of Zoi house, thanks! Hopefully X-Orlando gets started soon that site is way too valuable to be undeveloped for so long!
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Hope this plot secures a buyer and a new project, nothing makes me happier than seeing surface parking lots being redeveloped.
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I'm happy there will be more bikes, sometime's I have to walk over half a mile searching for a bike, or there will only be one when I try to go for rides with my GF, more bikes equals more bike riders which is always a good thing!
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4 hours ago, Jernigan said:
Edgewood stop could make sense - if that town invested in shaping their community around it. Rename Sand Lake to Pine Cadtle and voila - civics for all.
SoDo is still too close to downtown IMO. We have a ton of urbanites that don’t understand that in the cities they want us to become, people use the bus (or walk). When we are transit tourists in those towns, our destinations are usually accessible by premium transit.
If SoDo ends up with the densities that are being incentivized (mid-high rises all the way to Michigan) then let’s revisit but in the meantime some townhomes on Grant just don’t validate the investment and the delay for commuters that the system was designed for.
For a trip of 2 miles you need the frequency to be <10 minutes. SunRail will max out at 15. This is why LYMMO isn’t used more - Lymmos short route would require the next bus to always be in view to be widely adopted.
Good news though - Lymmo service has been figured out to Pineloch. Just needs funding. Then we can figure out how to get dedicated lanes so that the bus doesn’t just become a duplication of existing service.
I'm not sure how long the Dwell time is added by each additional stop but I will time it next time I ride, 90 seconds is my guess. I agree LYMMO would be preferred and that the North/South Orange LYMMO line is pretty much useless because it is such a short distance, while the East/West GrapeFruit line is longer and gets much better ridership, although with UCF Downtown opening there could be an influx of students who ride the free downtown shuttle. I guess the difference of opinion is because I want SunRail to be frequent Urban rail, not suburban commuter rail which it obvious is.
Maybe in the future Orlando could purchase different rail stock and run a shorter and more frequent shuttle service within Orange County. I just think with the high capital costs associated with Sunrail we need to utilize these assets as much as possible or it'll be an inefficient use of funds.-
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Awesome this got underway so quick, what do y'all think will be next to break ground, Golden Sparrow, Project X, or Magnolia Hotel? Hope I got the names right for the potential projects.
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Now they just need to finish Gertrude's Walk thru Downtown or add bike lanes on Orange, excited to use this finally!
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13 hours ago, AndyPok1 said:
Don't get me wrong. I'd love a stop there. But it would feel very Church St / Lynx Central with them being so close. When I want to take the train I bike the .75 mile to Orlando Health
Yeah but the area has so much growth I say it merits an additional station. The Amtrak one is too far from Sodo to be walkable and only one LYNX route along Orange stops at the Sunrail station. I would say they should either launch a LYMMO route from Downtown to Sodo that stops at the Sunrail station and hospital or add another infill stop to connect the fasting growing area. Maybe not at Michigan but the roads south of Michigan, Illiana or PineLoch also would be good candidates. A national renowned transit figure was discussing Sunrail on twitter a few years ago and also commented on the lack of stations in between Amtrak and SandLake. Another station along Oakridge in Pine Castle was their recommendation.
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On 3/16/2019 at 12:17 PM, Jernigan said:
Let’s say they add a stop...you’d wait 30 minutes for a heavy rail train instead of catching a bus that comes every 10-15 for the same price to go 2 miles?
That's assuming people would only take Sunrail to Downtown, but also considering how slow buses are during peak periods because of overcrowding and congestion it would likely be faster to wait for Sunrail, Not to mention there's a social stigma against buses that doesn't exist for trains.
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1 hour ago, Gtothree2748 said:
Orange and Holden (across from cypress grove park) would be an ideal location for an additional sun rail station. It’s basically the mid point between OH and sand lake. It would serve the southern end of sodo and also the northern end of Edgewood/belle isle which are too far from sand lake and ORMC to make sunrail worth riding for those residents. Plus there is space there for a platform.
Holden would be a good spot too, I just think about the walkability of locations and there's not much down at Holden worth walking too. The ORMC location is too far to be walkable for Sodo residents and only one of the 4 LYNX routes along Orange Ave stops at the Sunrail station. If They ever extend a LYMMO route to SoDo like they're studying, a stop at the Sunrail station would also do a good job connecting this area of high growth to our only current regional transit.
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I can't get over how badly SunRail needs a stop in Sodo along Michigan. This area is growing way faster than any area around any of the other stops. Doesn't make sense that there are no stops in between the hospital and Sandlake. A cheap infill station could generate lots of ridership for little cost . The traffic down Orange is horrible and there's no bike lanes either.
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Unrelated to anything but I can't get over how badly SunRail needs a stop in Sodo along Michigan. This area is growing way faster than any area around any of the other stops. Doesn't make sense that there are no stops in between the hospital and Sandlake. A cheap infill station could generate lots of ridership for little cost .
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On 3/6/2019 at 1:51 PM, Jernigan said:
It sort of puts in perspective how well the I-4 project is going. 21 mile rebuild of an in-use highway and they are halfway done and only a few months behind as of now
Last I saw it was 8 months and $100M over budget, unless that has changed the Sentinel reported on it. Going great!
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1 hour ago, jrs2 said:
I don't really think so either simply because it's not practical. If you live in Orlando and want to go to LA, you aren't taking HSR; you're flying. I can see shorter distance routes, but the rest can use air travel.
That's not necessarily true, I'm moving to California over the Summer and if the Sunset Limited was still in operation ( Thanks Katrina), i'd take it instead of driving 3000 miles, and it is only 1/3 speed of true HSR! Some people, me being one of them, just don't like flying. At 200 MPH, Orlando to LA would only be about 14 hours, which is competitive with flying if you account for getting to the airport 2 hours early and the layover that I have to take because I can't be in the air for too long or I get sick, plus getting from LAX is horrible. Moreso I think an AutoTrain like they have to DC from Florida to California would be a big hit as well.
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It's all relative; like people referring to Disney or most of unincorporated Orange as in Orlando. I personally prefer more precise terms to distinguish areas if i'm talking to other locals, i.e The CBD, South Eola or Lake Eola Heights. I'd say this area was considered part of the Central Business District since the Courtyard and BOA building are important business buildings, but I propose we start calling it LYNX Landing after LYNX Central lol.
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3 hours ago, dcluley98 said:
So while Virgin Trains/Brightline goes the "private" Route, California is pulling the plug on their publicly funded connections to L.A. and the Bay Area. Governor Newsom is changing the plan to only be along the Central Valley region (where there is tons of "cheap" agricultural land) in a 160 mile route from Merced to Bakersfield.
"Let's level about the high-speed rail," Newsom said. "Let's be real, the current project as planned would cost too much and, respectfully, take too long. Right now, there simply isn't a path to get from Sacramento to San Diego, let alone from San Francisco to L.A. I wish there were."
"Abandoning the high-speed rail entirely means we will have wasted billions and billions of dollars with nothing but broken promises... and lawsuits to show for it," Newsom added, explaining he wouldn't want to send the $3.5 billion in federal money the project has been granted back to the Trump administration.
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/central-valley-high-speed-rail-merced-bakersfield-13610732.php?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark
So basically they are going to take several billion dollars to build a train that few people demand currently and will not alleviate the main traffic problems, they will have to eventually pay to maintain it without the main benefits from that cost, and it will begin to encourage more sprawl in the central valley region instead of helping the existing highly populated areas.
I am glad Virgin/FECR are doing this private given the status of comparable projects. Limit the losses to private "investors" that will fund the construction and if they lose their money, oh well, that's a risk they took themselves with full public knowledge of the business prospects.
Hopefully, the taxpayers won't be on the hook to try to keep the Brightline going later on, but we are already way better off than California's "plan".We're only on the hook for the $8 billion I-4 toll lanes, those are definitely going to solve Orlando's traffic!
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Trails / Bicycle Infrastructure
in Orlando
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Members from Affording Housing advocacy group Orlando YIMBY will be present at this Meet and Greet! Looking forward to chatting with other members of this board about Biking Advocacy in Orlando.