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On 2/23/2023 at 9:43 AM, CLT Development said:
Not sure why anyone is sitting and waiting, I shared exactly whats happening there in this thread. I've seen the RFQ that people bid on. 300-400 unit residential, grocery, new YMCA and micro retail. Some open space facing North Davidson, massing that gets taller toward the train tracks. Simple as that. Thats what residential partners bid on. Seems like a lot for one parcel, but this parcel is an acre larger than the footprint of The Francis, Whole Foods, Even Hotel and Home 2Suites combined.
The winning developer has done a couple of these YMCA value ads, for reference linked.
https://www.republicfamilyofcompanies.com/developments/ymca-arlington
https://www.republicfamilyofcompanies.com/developments/y-magnolia-village
Can you compare the size of this development to anything existing or under construction in the area? You mentioned it's an acre larger than .... but what is closer in size and scope? Camden? Commonwealth? Just trying to get an idea. A neighbor has met with the YMCA and the Y wanted to hear what we would "like to see" in the design and promised it won't be a "big blocky box."
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On 2/23/2023 at 12:49 PM, JeanClt said:
Not sure why anyone is sitting and waiting, I shared exactly whats happening there in this thread. I've seen the RFQ that people bid on. 300-400 unit residential, grocery, new YMCA and micro retail. Some open space facing North Davidson, massing that gets taller toward the train tracks. Simple as that. Thats what residential partners bid on. Seems like a lot for one parcel, but this parcel is an acre larger than the footprint of The Francis, Whole Foods, Even Hotel and Home 2Suites combined.
The winning developer has done a couple of these YMCA value ads, for reference linked.
https://www.republicfamilyofcompanies.com/developments/ymca-arlington
https://www.republicfamilyofcompanies.com/developments/y-magnolia-villageDo you know the timeline, or any idea of where the parking and entrance/exits will be? I believe they have to preserve green space facing N Davidson as there are heritage trees. I understand at the tallest, the building could be 100 feet? I also wonder how long it would take to build something like this. For example, they've been working on the Commonwealth for almost two years now, and it seems like they are not very far alone.
To address the other previous poster, the YMCA did some community input sessions, coming up on four years ago. They did not, as far as I know, address any possibility of a grocery or apartments on the site. Nor do they care that their casual research was done in 2019, when the neighborhood was quite different than it is now.
Also, I understand the area around the Indie is not considered NoDa. They are trying to market it as the "Trailhead" district.
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On 2/20/2023 at 4:15 PM, jf430 said:
Regarding the 'Arts District' moniker. A good neighborhood friend who worked at every mill in North Charlotte at one time or another always had the best stories about old the neighborhood. He would talk about how he (in a very kind and good natured way) would kid the gallery owners about how 'you know we'd been here about a 100 years before you guys ever showed up and started calling this place NoDa'. The point I'm trying to make is that the 'Arts District' was one fantastic chapter in the very long book that is North Charlotte.
Fair point! A very valid perspective. You could say the same of SoHo or any number of neighborhoods in NYC or London.
I guess change is inevitable. We will hold on to this property regardless of all the posters here who said to move. Not sure if we will rent it or pass it on to the next generation, but it's a long-term hold. Really not looking forward to the monolith that's coming next door.
Neighbor met with the YMCA director and they are not showing any cards.
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It wasn't this trashy when I moved here. It's gone downhill in the past two years. Really, it tracks right along with the addition of Crowntown Cannibas and the street vendors.
On 2/17/2023 at 1:51 AM, san said:You’re strange but I will agree that NoDa is definitely not an arts district. There really should be an attempt at creating an artist community there since TAC gallery was genuinely the only place that even supported artists there.
18 hours ago, Miesian Corners said:When I moved to Charlotte in 1988, the neighborhood was known as "North Charlotte." The artists who moved into the area and filled the (empty at the time) commercial buildings actually did own and operate many art galleries. There was an actual "gallery crawl" one Friday every month. There would be no "NoDa" if it weren't for the folks who owned Center of the Earth gallery, now known as Lyons Fine Art. From their website: "
Lyons Fine art Consulting was born after the 2010 closing of Center Of The Earth Gallery, a leading contemporary art gallery in the southeast for 22 years. Owners Ruth Ava Lyons and Paul Sires opened the gallery after major renovations in an abandoned mill village known as the town of North Charlotte. In 1985 Lyons and Sires pioneered the Historic North Charlotte Arts District, now called NODA. Only 2.5 miles from uptown Charlotte, North Carolina, this mill village prospered when “cotton was king” and collapsed when the mills closed. The couple restored the 1927 Lowder Building which housed Center of the Earth Gallery and other artists owned businesses. They were voted “Best Gallery” by many local and regional publications for two decades.
Lyons and Sires continued to renovate nearby buildings as part of an ongoing revitalization effort and actively participate in beautification efforts. As the gallery and its owners continued to spur development in the area, other artists and businesses gravitated there as well and helped create a cultural synergy that can only be found in NODA.
Ruth Ava Lyons and Paul Sires have been recognized with a Governor’s Business Award in the Arts. This award recognizes their efforts as the pioneers of the NODA Arts District and their impact on the city of Charlotte.
5 hours ago, Nathan2 said:Why did you move to NoDa if its such a trashy and miserable place? Most people would kill to own or live in NoDa, as its one of the few areas in the whole city that has culture and diversity.
Where is the culture and diversity you speak of? All my neighbors are white and can afford million dollar homes; there's no diversity in terms of race or other demographics. The only POC I see are working here in some capacity. There are two music venues, but no local music scene that I can see. No art galleries, no working artist studios, no dance studios or performances, no theatres, stand-up, spoken word, no festivals or farmer's markets.
The culture is at Camp North End, where there are actually artist-owned and artist-run spaces. Goodyear Arts, etc. And in the new "Trailhead District"...The Independent Picture House is wonderful, but it's not in "NoDa." SouthEnd has C3 lab, and downtown has the Vapa Center and Brooklyn Arts. Theatre in Charlotte is essentially dead, unfortunately.
I'm lamenting the fact that there is no art or culture in the "Arts District". I don't know how NoDa lost it or how we can get it back. I think if something isn't done soon, NoDa will lose its personality altogether. It's a shame there's no real art being created here.
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7 hours ago, kermit said:
You heard right. Sold yesterday for $10.3 million
Damn. Sometimes I hate being right.
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2 hours ago, 3397char said:
First, there are no "powers that be." No one owns the name NoDa and no one controls how it is marketed.
The NoDa Neighborhood and Business Association (NoDa NBA) defines its borders as Matheson Ave, N Tryon St, E Sugar Creek and The Plaza. Yet you will find dozens of businesses and tons more real estate listings outside of those boundaries calling themselves NoDa or marketing their property as NoDa.
Similarly, no one controls street vendors. The Supreme Court has determined that 1st amendment rights extend to solicitors in the public square, so the only real limitation they have is that they must have a business permit to sell and they cannot block the ROW. That limits the police to basically just nuisance calls and the police have said-without-saying that this is not the best use of their time. Some in the local business community has looked into all sorts of options for limiting or even curating street vending and so far has not found anything workable.
There is almost zero retail in "downtown Noda" i.e. the intersection of N Davidson and 36th and 2 blocks south. Pura Vida World art (which does indeed have art by the way) is the only product vendor that survived COVID. . The rest are all service, restaurant, bar and entertainment businesses. The success of the Arts District has elevated rents to the point that galleries cant afford to stay open. So yes, the gallery crawls circa 2002 are a thing of the past. But there are multiple art related businesses and non-profits in other areas of NoDa (see boundaries above) or just outside of those boundaries an places that call themselves NoDa. And there are even more artists who live/work in NoDa but without a brick-and-mortar store you can shop at.
So if "The Arts District" rubs you the wrong way, I suggest you refer to NoDa the same way I do: an "Arts and Entertainment District." Despite the gentrification, NoDa remains a diverse, vibrant counter-culture community like no other in Charlotte. That is likely why the Arts District name remains: people recognize the vibe.
You're right. There's no one "power, " but I suppose it traces back to the city's tourism marketing, which trickles down to realtors, apartment marketing, and so on. The only vibe we have now is "trashy." That aspect noticeably ramped up with the advent of Crowntown Cannabis. The YMCA won't even fix its fence. It's not worth the trouble. Decline feeds decline. The "powers that be" should have recognized the power and opportunity that comes from artists working and flourishing in your midst. There is not one developer willing to give space over to saving the arts in NoDa. Not one. Now I hear the Neighborhood Theatre/Salud building is for sale or maybe even sold.
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I have autism, which does make me strange, I guess. I wish the powers that be would stop marketing NoDa as an "Arts District," as there are no galleries, working studios, or performances of art, dance, open mic, stand up or musicals. We have Neighborhood Theatre and Evening Muse for music at night, and that's it. No festivals, nothing.
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On 1/28/2023 at 3:36 PM, CLT Development said:
Seems like you should move to Arboretum. I live in NoDa and the vendors are really one of the most cosmopolitan things about this neighborhood, and I cannot imagine complaining.
Seriously? How are people selling the old t-shirts you dropped off at Goodwill two years ago "cosmopolitan"? The African trinkets are mostly from China via drop-shipping by AliExpress, the potions being peddled contain god knows what. There were tables full of fake Nikes one day, and one lady sitting out all night with her toddlers playing in the gutter between parked cars. Empty storefronts full of stickers and graffiti, broken glass everywhere. It's trashy.
And before you send me to the Arboretum again, I'm all over the country, all the time. I spent the last two weeks in LA and NYC and N Davidson resembles the Skid Row area of DTLA more than it does say, Silverlake or West Hollywood. The East Village and Williamsburg don't have this kind of junk being sold on the streets -- or the trash that comes along with it.
What if you ran bing one of the few remaining shops in NoDa and had someone standing outside selling items similar to what you're stocking. Or you're Ever Andaolo and there's some guy lighting up and blocking your customers' access with his selection of mystery drinks. Imagine complaining?
It would be helpful if some of you folks who are plugged in with the developers would advocate for artist studios or micro-retail sites. NoDa is no longer the "Arts District" because there's no art here, besides murals, and those are everywhere. Look at the River Arts District in Asheville.
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The ACWR runs at least every day. I live practically on top of it. I keep track because I live with a railroad fan. We love the trains.
Also, it's not always ACWR engines on that line. Sometimes it's Norfolk Southern.
Back to the topic of the YMCA, can anyone expand on what the zoning allows?
Also, any idea when the plan will be announced, and with the announcement should we expect a proposed design?
Neighborhood gossips are saying the YMCA is promising this or that, and that they are "tossing around designs..." and that the YMCA won't just build a big "block" there...rumours abound.
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Maybe you're forgetting that these homes were built for families and not just "workers."
Those few blocks of Davidson are fraught with issues, on-street parking, vendors selling crap and blocking businesses, empty storefronts and graffiti. There's a lot of talk of a pedestrian-friendly neighborhood, but Davidson doesn't need more traffic.
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21 hours ago, KJHburg said:
NoDa Mill District walkabout today. Boy is the area between Parkwood and Matheson just booming with new apartments and retail and a lot more to come.
Kudos to Camden NoDa when you build to keep (like Camden does) you build to last! My favorite apartment complex under construction in the entire metro area.
Hardly any retail, though, unless you count the gyms built into each apartment complex. Camden is looking very nice and the design respects its surroundings, unlike most of the Soviet-style apartments we see over here.
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I don't live in a single family home, but I suppose you're all for tearing down the mill houses and putting up Soviet-looking apartment blocks in the lovely Texas donut style?
There are plenty of apartments -- existing, being built, or planned -- to satisfy demand in NoDa, the wider "Mill District" and the newer "Trailhead District." If you think rents are going south any time soon, you are mistaken. It's only up from here.And to your other point about Davidson being a major urban street: It's not. It's a two-lane neighborhood street through NoDa. Traffic is bad enough on Davidson now; can you imagine what it will be like when this goes in? Everyone on this board wants more pedestrian-friendly streets and districts. I walk back and forth Davidson every day, and it's a challenge.
Of course, they can widen Davidson; nobody wants that.
My main point is the YMCA talks a game about consulting with the community, but they don't. They try to keep the plans hush-hush.. That's not how a community-serving, mission-driven, member-supported nonprofit should operate.
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On 10/4/2022 at 9:40 AM, CLT Development said:
And now there will be one closer to the center of NoDa (33rd and North Davidson at the YMCA lot) and one near me on 36th and North Tryon, where 2200 new apartments are planned in the immediate area.
On 1/19/2023 at 12:22 PM, Nathan2 said:Maybe you should leave NODA. Complaining about a possible grocery store on a major urban street is insane.
Who doesn't want a grocery store? God knows we need one. I don't want 5 stories of apartments looming over my front door. My beef is with the YMCA being shady,
On 1/18/2023 at 12:37 PM, JHart said:Probably for the best. Tough enough in NoDa with the NIMBYs that have been there for 10-30 years, let alone people who moved in post-BLE who complain about development
Not complaining about development, per se. Complaining that the neighborhood YMCA is selling out and being shady af about its plans. We need a grocery store. We need a new YMCA, We don't need 400 $2500k/month apartments.
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On 10/4/2022 at 9:04 PM, MothBeast said:
And now there will be one closer to the center of NoDa (33rd and North Davidson at the YMCA lot) and one near me on 36th and North Tryon, where 2200 new apartments are planned in the immediate area.
I'm so pissed at the shady-ass YMCA. They will not share any plans with the neighbors...and I'm talking I live 25 feet from the building. They told us they held a "neighborhood input meeting" in 2019 (before our building existed). There was no talk of apartments or a grocery store. They have heritage trees on that site that they cannot touch. I hope to God their plans get leaked, becauses this is not going to go over well. Maybe it's time for us to sell before the dirt starts flying.
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Hi everyone - this is a really quiet board!
Wondering if there's a go on the grocery store at 36th and Tryon?
Also, does anyone know what's going in the former "Poe" space on Davidson?
On 9/22/2022 at 8:10 PM, rancenc said:New addition to the NoDa business community.
This is Camp North End, though? I've lived in NoDa for two years now and have not been to the Company Store. Moved here during Covid and I actually thought it was a store, since they were selling groceries
It's just a bar, right?
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4 hours ago, Desert Power said:
The Colony would be a good option, but you would have to fence off the front "yard" yourself
Thank you! What is The Colony?
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22 hours ago, Tyree Ricardo said:
That's crazy to hear about Highland, I love those, didn't know the new ones were so different. I really really love these https://vistahomesclt.com/the-terraces-at-36th-street/floorplans/
I like them too but not crazy about the build quality from that company. Each unit in the first building at Highland Park had one, some two, large terraces plus two smaller balconies...bigger than Juliet balconies, just big enough for some nice planters. And they had a porch area just below street level that makes a nice shady spot. All that remains in the new units is a 5x12 balcony. All of this also detracts from the visual interest for me as well!
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I'd like at least a large terrace. At best a tiny enclosed patio/greenspace.
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Hey all - we are looking to downsize into a townhome and quality and design are very important to us. We own several properties around town but we are almost empty nesters and are looking for an in-town, low maintenance lifestyle at this point.
Our must-haves are usable outdoor space and a garage, in addition to quality construction and thoughtful design (in terms of the house and how it fits in the community.)
We saw the Highland Park model by Heist and fell in love. Unfortunately the new buildings in the complex - across from the YMCA - will have a tiny fraction of the outdoor living space. I don't know whey they changed the design, but they've done away with two balconies, downsized the main terrace and deleted the below-grade entrance for the downstairs suite. I liked this feature for the functionality and the brownstone vibe at street level.
Long story short - the new units don't suit us. Kinda sick about it, would have written a contract on the spot.
I am posting in this forum because I know that many of you are kindred spirits when it comes to design and function. Do you know of any upcoming developments that are not mass-market (Ryan, Pulte, Vista) that may not be on our radar? NoDa or any walkable location in central CLT.
Thank you!
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Anyone? I'm not in the architecture/building community but need to find out about this project coming into Chantilly. It seems our neighborhood board doesn't realize there is a planning/approval process. The parcel is zoned B-1 so we don't have a zoning hearing to take advantage of. Is there an opportunity for community input at any other point in the process? This project will, apparently, involve extending some existing city streets. And it's in a flood plain. Can any of you guys help me out? I have reached out to our council member twice with no response. I just want to ensure the neighborhood's interests are represented if the opportunity presents itself. My main concern is the very limited access to Chantilly from "outside" -- both a blessing and a curse....we love how it's tucked away and has limited cut-through traffic, but it would be nice to have access at the greenway end of the neighborhood, as the streets are quite long. The evolution of Independence Blvd years ago cut Chantilly off at the knees in several spots. Thank you in advance for any help!
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@Third Strike our homeowners group say they heard from the developer in "early August" though their original post said "earlier this year" and the developer is set to meet with the residents on Sept 11. There is a concern that something may have slipped by without the neighborhood noticing. There are very few access points in Chantilly, and many of us like it that way, because it keeps the traffic quiet. Though as someone who lives on the "main street" -- Shenandoah -- I am not looking forward to construction traffic, etc. coming off Pecan and barreling down the hill toward the greenway. Access off of Independence might be a great idea. I have researched the parcel but cannot find either a record of a recent sale or a rezoning request. Charlotte GIS says the parcel is zoned B-1. I know there are issues with the floodplain down there too. If anyone knows anything, please post! Thank you!
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Hope this is the right place to post. We in Chantilly just got word from our homeowners' board that Goode Development has bought the land at the end of Shenandoah. Apparently they are going to demolish the old buildings down there and replace with a mix of single family homes and townhomes. Of course those of us who live on Shenandoah are concerned about added traffic. There's to be a meeting in a few days with the developers. Anyway, does anyone know about this project or where it is in the approval process with the city?Rumor is they are going to extend some of the Chantilly streets and make some sort of loop down by the new greenway. Any info appreciated!
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I live just under the overpass in Chantilly. Would love a neighborhood hardware store! A neighborhood membership gym (not a CrossFit / Bootcamp / Boxing place) would be great. A juice bar or salad place would be nice. Moxie, Legion and Workman's Friend are all wonderful relatively recent additions to my daily orbit.
I was wondering about the Junior League Warehouse location and the other surrounding small businesses (Meineke, Sammy's). Is that all one parcel?
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Looks like the lot at the corner of Seigle and Central is under contract. Zoned MF but I'm hoping for a Publix! Please, anything but more apartments. I can't face the Harris Teeter parking lot now -- what's it gonna be like when all the apartments along Central and Commonwealth are done?
I get bread from Nova's, and the coconut cake is to die for. However when I've picked up cookies for the kids, they seem stale. I do like their gingerbread men.
It's just a bar, right?
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BTW as a Black person, I love being called racist. Just shows how little the word means today.
Also, the Protagonist is moving...because of the street vendors disrupting its business.
There was an altercation between Cabo and the street vendors that almost came to blows, I understand.
The vendors are an issue nobody wants to address.