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1 hour ago, Nash_12South said:
It's also about money. Excavating for parking costs lots more than simply going up. Underground parking also requires ventilation and dealing with water, which adds cost.
Time (which relates to money) is also a factor. The faster the building opens the faster you can pay loans and make money.
Perhaps if the city put more requirements on the appearance of above ground parking the costs just might work out better.
Don't forget that all the rock and soil have to be properly managed and/or disposed of. With the number of subgrade parking garages now being used/required, this has significantly increased development cost. Just for instance, a site in the Gulch has approximately 90,000 cubic yards of soil and rock to be excavated. This will cost over $3M.
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21 hours ago, Pdt2f said:
Fascinating. Were the ones where they built the Bridgestone tower gasoline tanks too?
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43 minutes ago, Pdt2f said:
What kind of storage tanks are they? Septic or something?
They were gasoline tanks. That garage had a service station in the bottom floor back in the day.
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On 7/21/2018 at 5:06 PM, smeagolsfree said:
I spoke to a worker on site and he said they are finding a lot of underground surprises at the site, such as old buildings foundation, infill, unmarked utilities, etc.
On that theme he said they were only going down about 15' and the building would not have much under ground period.
It's a Brownfield in an urban environment so this is not a surprise really. Before the last parking garage was taken down about 13 underground storage tanks were removed. And, yes, the proper agencies were contacted (back in 2009).
When Bridgestone Tower was built, there were about 8 USTs that no one knew were there. This seems to be more of an issue in SoBro than in the areas north of Broadway.
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43 minutes ago, bigeasy said:
Have there been any studies on the water quality in the river? I have always wondered how much of that is making it's way into the river. It is one reason I have never done the Music City Tri. I just have zero desire to be swimming in the river downtown.
I'm sure there are. TDEC's Division of Water Resources and/or Metro Water would have those reports.
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13 hours ago, bnacincy said:
What criteria would this site have to meet to qualify as a Superfund Site?
Prepare to get into the weeds... The EPA uses a system called HRS to score site for listing to the National Priority List (Superfund). The Hazard Ranking System (HRS) evaluates the relative risks to human health and the environment posed by uncontrolled hazardous waste sites. The HRS evaluates three things; 1) the likelihood that a site has released or has the potential to release contaminants into the environment, 2) the characteristics of the waste (toxicity and waste quantity), and 3) the people or sensitive environments affected by the release.
So for this site in particular you'd have to identify a release to the environment (the contamination that's undoubtedly present), it would have to be toxic (it likely would be), and you would have to have the contamination impact people. This is where the potential listing of the site would fall apart. Based on its location and land use, there won't be enough people impacted. In Tennessee, we get sites listed primarily by two exposure routes; impacted groundwater supplies (which are not used in Nashville) and impacted soil with residents nearby/on the property (which is not the case here).
I hope this explanation is clear enough. Obviously, its a complex federal program. For those interested, TDEC works closely with the EPA on sites where people are actually at risk from uncontrolled hazardous waste sites. FYI, there are no Superfund (NPL) sites in Nashville.
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13 hours ago, bnacincy said:
As I mentioned, this will probably end up being an EPA Superfund site or else there won't be any buyers.
Come to think of it, a good portion of the East Bank should probably end up being a Superfund site.
My dream is to deindustrialize the Cumberland River From Opryland to Cockrill Bend and relocate industries to the vacant land that's available in Cockrill Bend. There's quite a bit of it if you look at a map. Then the cleared land could be used for parks and residential development.
This won't be a superfund site, it won't meet the listing criteria for EPA. That said, it's a perfect brownfield site and a savvy, motivated buyer won't be discouraged from purchasing and reusing the property safely.
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1 minute ago, smeagolsfree said:
That is great to know. I hope someone takes advantage of the programs as this is a very hazardous site as they have been sited numerous times for violations.
Just about every project in downtown and SoBro is a brownfield.
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11 hours ago, smeagolsfree said:
There will be a lot of soil remediation that will have to be done. Someone will have to pay for that if the land is sold to a developer. That is not cheap.
Actually, we can do a lot through the Brownfields program to manage soil contamination in a way that safe for reuse and provides liability protection to new owners for past contamination. A full and complete cleanup may not be required.
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11 hours ago, nashvylle said:
It is not going to happen. I do agree with you, however.
Don't be so sure. Had an interesting conversation about this property yesterday and I've heard some rumblings about a potential move.
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Not sure how much folks realize the impacts that brownfield redevelopment has had on the growth we've seen in Nashville, Knoxville, and Chattanooga. In Nashville, generally all of the development in the Downtown/SoBro area has been on brownfields.
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On 12/12/2015 at 5:35 AM, markhollin said:
As I shared at the Meet-Up last Saturday, I have been scouting this site for about 6 months thinking that it could make a great extension to the Riverfront Park heading east along what we call the the "west bank," but is really the south bank at this juncture. I had no idea that this was brewing with the Park District at the same time. Cool to see that others have the same vision for it. Here are some other photos I have taken to give you an idea of the potential for this 12-13 acre plot (about the same size as the south portion of Riverfront Park where the new Amphitheater is sitting). This is also a piece-of-pie shaped tract.
11) This is looking down onto the second level stair-step from the back parking lot behind the Vocational Rehab Center. It is a triangular shape that at one time looks to have housed 4 large circular tanks for industrial use---probably something to do with the factories that used to be above them a hundred years ago at Rolling Mill. It is about a 25 foot drop from the parking area at the far right. Perhaps this could be a large dog park or playground. It is about 200 feet long on each of it's three sides.
So, there you have a bit of a tour of what I believe is going to be a GREAT new addition to the Nashville Park District. Lots and lots of potential. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out beyond just the boathouse elements. Would be curious as to your thoughts and ideas. : )
I saw this in the Tennessean last week and this looks like a great reuse for this property. The concrete pads in the picture above are actually the foundations of above-ground storage tanks for the Triangle Refinery/Kerr McGee terminal facility that once operated here. Hopefully the redevelopment takes any issues that may have been left behind here into their design plans.
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No mention of retail in the article. I think MDHA controlled the entire site and sold the portion to Embrey. I don't know if there was any stipulation not to have retail. My guess is that was the developer's preference to build residential only.
The garage site is fenced but not under construction yet.
My understanding is that the development is enirely residential, though I have no information on the terms of the contract between Metro and Embrey.
On the parking garage, environmental and geotechnical work are underway, my understanding is that the design/cost of the structure have been in flux.
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Drove by the Thompson Hotel lot this a.m. There was some large equipment on the lot doing some boring.
That was related to the geotechnical and environmental assessment work.
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