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From 2021:
- A supermarket, either Ingle's or Publix, is announced downtown. (Ingle's Markets still owns property on John B. White Sr. Boulevard where Ingle's #48 operated.)
- Publix announces additional stores in Spartanburg County. Boiling Springs and a second Spartanburg store have been hot in speculation.
- Ingle's returns to Lyman with an additional store. (Ingle's #93 operated on Inman Road before relocating to Duncan in 2003. It was succeeded by Sav-Mor #893. Sav-Mor #893 had a brief lifespan.)
- Ingle's #38 on East Main Street in Spartanburg expands and rebuilds.
- Plans for Milliken Village extend beyond its location. Changes to site plans are possible
- West Main Street and John B. White Sr. Boulevard corridors are reclaimed and targeted for redevelopment.
Publix is coming to Boiling Springs. Link: https://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/topic/121021-market-at-boiling-springs-boiling-springs-south-carolina/
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Market at Boiling Springs is a supermarket-anchored retail center that will locate at the southeast corner of Highway 9 and Bible Church Road in the Boiling Springs community in Spartanburg County, South Carolina.
The supermarket will be Publix. Publix #1856, 4450 Highway 9, Boiling Springs, South Carolina 29316-8583, will be a 48,387-square-foot store with a Pharmacy drive thru. Link: https://securecc.smartinsight.co/#/PublicBidProject/623449 The store will be Publix's third store in Spartanburg County.
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On 8/24/2021 at 6:31 PM, hub-city said:
Absolutely on the Clark Rd. Interchange. If they would put an intersection there and work on improvements to Clark Rd. itself, it would help Hwy. 9 tremendously.
Clark Road has four all-way stops between East Main Street and Boiling Springs Road/Highway 9: Bishop Road, Spring Valley Road, Sugar Ridge Road, and Seay Road. It is maintained by Spartanburg County instead of the the state. I think improvements could be made if the state acquired Clark Road and Bible Church Road from Spartanburg County.
The best improvement would be widening Old Furnace Road from two lanes to four lanes from Asheville Highway to Chesnee Highway. Adding a turn lane will not resolve increased traffic.
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On 8/24/2021 at 5:58 PM, hub-city said:
I agree with everyone saying the I-26/176 interchange needs to be restructured or replaced. I would love to see something like the I-26/Reidville Rd. Interchange.
I would not mind improving the partial cloverleaf with ramps from Interstate 26 eastbound to United States Route 176 (Asheville Highway) westbound into Inman and from Interstate 26 westbound to United States Route 176 eastbound into Spartanburg. Acceleration lanes would be needed on the Asheville Highway bridges.
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On 10/20/2021 at 2:25 PM, SVL said:
I wonder what this means for their current location?
On 10/20/2021 at 2:54 PM, gman430 said:Their current location is going to be redeveloped into a mixed use project that coordinates with Northpointe.
On 10/20/2021 at 3:57 PM, SVL said:This is a win win for not only downtown office space but also the Stone/N Main area. It's becoming more and more walkable and redeveloping their old space will only add to that.
On 10/20/2021 at 3:59 PM, GvilleSC said:That's a great point, SVL.
I hope the redevelopment of the Canal site is nicer aesthetically than Northpointe.
On 10/20/2021 at 4:12 PM, Exile said:The building is, I think, originally a 60's-era retail building: it was a Sears back as far as I can remember up till HM opened; then JP Stevens before Canal Ins. So I imagine, with that kind of acreage and the building's placement on it, that it'll be demo'd and something appropriately dense will replace it.
On 10/20/2021 at 8:18 PM, vistatiger said:Yes an old department store -Original Sears building I think. Remember the escalators when I was a kid. I think it would be sad to tear it down and replace it with another shoe box apartment building. Love to see renovated and include some retail again like a small urban Target with apartments on the upper floors.
On 10/20/2021 at 9:03 PM, johnpro318 said:I agree it would be sad but I’ve seen plans online already if rerouting column street to line up with the Wade Hampton light so I think the building’s days are numbered. Plus it’s layout on the land doesn’t really lend to good urban design. I once wished windows would be put in and it would be renovated into a huge food hall place, kinda like Ponce City Market, but alas.
The redevelopment of 400 East Stone Avenue would be nice, and would compliment NorthPointe.
Realigning Column Street is overdue. There has been access from East Stone Avenue to southbound North Church Street. Any realignment would cause the necessary closure of Mitchell Street.
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6 hours ago, Galley said:
The Maserati dealership has closed, and Touring Sport has been sold and moved to Greer. Is something planned for that corner?
I hoped my Maserati could do 185 again. Life has been good to me so far.
If I were the South Carolina Department of Transportation, I would be seeking to improve the interchange of Pleasantburg Drive and Laurens Road.
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On 8/16/2021 at 5:39 PM, roads-scholar said:
My first road and highway improvement "wish":
Widen I-26 from US-176 to SC-296. Probably not on SCDOT's hi priority list but traffic is increasingly straining the early 1960's design. Bridge widths are narrow and the interchanges at US-176 and New Cut Road are inadequate.
What if Interstate 26 is being widened to six lanes from Asheville to Charleston?
Exit 15 (United States Route 176/Asheville Highway) needs traffic signalization on Asheville Highway. Increased traffic and being unable to make left turns within considerable time necessitate the need.
Is there enough room to widen Interstate 26 under the Interstate 85 overpass?
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Piggly Wiggly has work to do. If it does not learn why it failed in past attempts, it will fail again.
The door remains open to Ingle's and Publix for a downtown location.
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10 hours ago, westsider28 said:
This is a bit off-topic, but I found this rendering of a potential rework of Heron Circle several months ago.
The former Hardees is currently for-sale. Honestly, SCDOT should buy it to allow expansion/reworking of the off-ramp there, because it's by far the worst part (backing up onto Bus-85 regularly).
I would like to further limit access entering and exiting Hearon Circle. I like eliminated exit access to Mobile Drive. I would like to see traffic exiting onto Charisma Drive eliminated, and see Charisma Drive realigned to terminate at Lone Oak Road.
I would like to see Hearon Circle similar to traffic circles on Verdae Boulevard and Carolina Point Parkway in Greenville. Both Verdae Boulevard and Carolina Point Parkway maintain four travel lanes through their traffic circles.
Link: Carolina Point Parkway, Greenville, South Carolina
Could I recommend discussion about improving Hearon Circle be moved to another topic?
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Redevelopment of Union Bleachery would be a welcome change.
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On 3/3/2021 at 10:07 PM, Spartan said:
It's just a matter of time before department stores are history. Same for Westgate Mall.
Malls as we have known them are history. The future of malls involve uses beyond retail and dining. Lodging, residential, offices, conventions, etc. are untapped uses.
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11 hours ago, SpartanBorn&Raised said:
Relating to the Northside, the former Mountasia/Funtasia/Funwerks/Blessed Fun/Fantasy Island has been demolished except for the arcade, which has been sold. I wonder what could eventually go there - more fast food/restaurants, or a grocer and pharmacy?
More industrial businesses would be logical. That area is mostly industrial.
I would not mind seeing another supermarket and a drugstore at North Town if it is razed and rebuilt. The trade area has been a pharmacy desert since 2008 when Rite Aid #11596 closed. It will become grocery, meat/seafood, and produce deserts after BI-LO #5265 closes. Food remains available at restaurants along Asheville Highway.
4 hours ago, Skyliner said:I don't know, but that area around the traffic circle is a MESS.
I think it is time to improve Hearon Circle. Hearon Circle has two continuous lanes. It is time to restripe and reconfigure traffic flow like multilane roundabouts.
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2 hours ago, westsider28 said:
Here's an article on the City website about the effort to bring a grocery store to the Southside. It references positive changes in the area lately, but makes the point that big chains still thought it was too risky. Also, the City will be making a public investment in the grocery store in the form of a loan.
The point I was making is similar: the major chains only look at the numbers. Due to the destructive legacy of urban renewal, the Southside is home to the largest concentration of public housing in the City. Since residents must have a low income to live there, that by definition makes a large portion of the area relatively poor, which deters investment by major chains. This is a nationwide issue and results in many food deserts.
I'm a huge believer in Spartanburg, and these residents deserve a grocery store, so I support the City's investment here. And I think that the strength of downtown, Hampton Heights, and commuters will help make the grocery store a success and allow it to provide a much-needed resource for the community. I am also proud of the City for literally putting their money where their mouth is when it comes to equity.
(As for a possible major chain location in the future, I believe the County Admin site will be a prime spot once the new City/County building is complete and that site is vacated. Proximity to downtown and Northside, plus the same heavy commuter traffic on Church make it perfect, IMO. Especially by ~2026, when it will come available.)
Any food retailer considers risks when considering a new store location. Considerations beyond numbers exist.
The article mentioned, "The grocery business is highly competitive, and, weighing all factors with great scrutiny, chains tend to be cautious – that’s why they city is working with an individual franchisee willing to take risk rather than an established, corporate-run chain. " That is an opinion/editorial. Chains like Ingle's and Publix are interested in stores downtown.
The current Spartanburg County Offices, initially Sears, would be the best site indeed.
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2 hours ago, SpartanBorn&Raised said:
Moot point by now, but I could maybe have seen a Harris-Teeter or even Publix moving into the old Save-A-Lot. They both build urban locations (two Harris-Teeters are near Downtown Greenville, possibly at least one of them near some lower-income neighborhoods and housing), and Harris-Teeter had two successful locations through the early 2000's (the Eastside one was open since at least the late 80's). We probably lost them to one of the recessions around 2001-2002 (never knew why they left).
Slightly OT, but the BI-LO on the Northside will also need replacing soon (surprised that KJ's Market hasn't or isn't going after that one). Maybe a Publix or Harris-Teeter there? Or even Piggly Wiggly? (That whole strip also needs a facelift; it's been the same facade and parking lot since 1988 with Community Cash being there a year before converting to BI-LO).
Harris Teeter stagnated in new store development. It sold off stores to BI-LO and Piggly Wiggly Carolina Company and closed others.
BI-LO #5265 has not been a busy store location. Up Asheville Highway, Ingle's #37 is constantly busy.
North Town is up for significant redevelopment. It could be considered in conjunction with a strategic plan for the Asheville Highway corridor. The mixed use development planned between University of South Carolina Upstate and Business 85 will help increase the number of residences and increase income levels.
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16 hours ago, roads-scholar said:
An Ingles supermarket would be successful on the southside but the former Sav-a Lot location is too small a footprint for this chain. I agree that the southside is a much different place than it was just a few years ago but I seriously doubt it can attract a major grocery chain at this time. Let's be realistic and accept a Piggly Wiggly or an equivalent and hope that a major chain (Publix?) opens in the near downtown (Northside?) area soon.
If Ingle's Markets plans to build new 72,000-square-foot Ingle's supermarkets, I could see the former Ingle's #48 site on John B. White Sr. Boulevard, owned by Ingle's Markets, and Roebuck as likely locations. (Ingle's #38 on East Main Street should have a similar replacement store in the plans.)
Publix in Northside could work. Where along North Church Street could a 28,000, a 39,000, or 48,000-square-foot store with parking garage locate near Wofford College?
18 hours ago, Skyliner said:Does anyone think Kroger would consider this market?
Harris Teeter, now owned by Kroger, has returned to Greenville. It returning to Spartanburg is possible. It operated two stores upon its exit in 2001.
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Piggly Wiggly has failed in Spartanburg County twice.
Spartanburg's downtown needs a supermarket (i.e. Ingle's, Publix). (Ingle's Markets owns property on John B. White Sr. Boulevard where it operated Ingle's #48.) If leaders in Spartanburg can get on board with the idea of a supermarket downtown, they could make it work.
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Closing Dunbar Street from North Church Street to Magnolia Street is past due. The block is closed off whenever any event is occurring at Morgan Square.
1 hour ago, Skyliner said:Something similar to Church Street Marketplace in Burlington, Vermont, would be nice. However, I am envisioning a more unique and attractive place, with some of the very best elements found elsewhere (pedestrian streets, urban parks, plazas, creative spaces, etc.) combined into a dynamic central hub in the heart of Spartanburg.
I would not mind seeing a similar concept to East Main Street from Church Street to Converse Street.
Dunbar Street and East Broad Street can provide circumnavigation around this area. East Broad Street from South Church Street to South Converse Street could be revamped for two lanes eastbound traffic as Dunbar Street is two lanes westbound traffic north of East Main Street.
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8 hours ago, westsider28 said:
A full-service grocery store on the Southside should be announced in the coming weeks, and could open within 6 months. It will be a "well-known chain that doesn’t currently have a location in Spartanburg." The store will have a hot and cold deli, an in-house branded coffee shop, a butcher, and serve made-to-order pizza. The former Sav-a-Lot will be expanded to accommodate the store.
Any guesses on the brand? The article mentioned a location in Charleston. After doing some research, I think it could be Piggly Wiggly. I suppose we'll find out soon.
QuoteIt will be owned by a South Carolinian based out of Columbia with more than 20 years in the grocery store industry.
There is neither a grocery retailer nor a supermarket based in Columbia. Either the grocery retailer could be an independent owner/operator of a national banner like IGA or Piggly Wiggly, or Spartanburg Herald-Journal could be inaccurate.
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On 12/30/2020 at 4:34 PM, vicupstate said:
A convenience store/gas station is needed on Wade Hampton Boulevard. A new Circle K would be an upgrade from the various incarnations of The Pantry and Kangaroo.
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- A supermarket, either Ingle's or Publix, is announced downtown. (Ingle's Markets still owns property on John B. White Sr. Boulevard where Ingle's #48 operated.)
- Publix announces additional stores in Spartanburg County. Boiling Springs and a second Spartanburg store have been hot in speculation.
- Ingle's returns to Lyman with an additional store. (Ingle's #93 operated on Inman Road before relocating to Duncan in 2003. It was succeeded by Sav-Mor #893. Sav-Mor #893 had a brief lifespan.)
- Ingle's #38 on East Main Street in Spartanburg expands and rebuilds.
- Plans for Milliken Village extend beyond its location. Changes to site plans are possible.
Nothing happened in my 2020 wish list. The list could carry over to 2020.
- West Main Street and John B. White Sr. Boulevard corridors are reclaimed and targeted for redevelopment.
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Hillcrest Market Place is a retail center located at 1905 East Main Street, Spartanburg, South Carolina 29307-2308, at the northeast corner of East Main Street and Fernwood Glendale Road in the City of Spartanburg in Spartanburg County, South Carolina. It is located on the site of the former Hillcrest Mall. It has also been known as Specialty Row at Hillcrest.
I read in the Spartanburg Herald-Journal ("Spartanburg development update: What's going on at Hillcrest Market Place?" 2020-12-14) Hillcrest Market Place will see redevelopment. I do not know the scope of the redevelopment. The known rendering has a green space or a courtyard replacing parking between NGC Cinemas and Rack Room Shoes.
I would not mind seeing improvements to access and mobility around Publix #687.
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On 4/7/2020 at 10:47 AM, GvilleSC said:
Well, and at a place like home improvement stores, a good percentage of that floor space is taken up by inventory. So, the number is actually quite a bit lower. The occupancy number would be based on floor space that people can actually occupy. Folks aren't going to be in the freezers at Costco, or on top of the plywood stacks at Lowes.
You would be incorrect.
On 4/11/2020 at 2:38 PM, gman said:Essential business listing is a joke. https://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/2020/04/11/coronavirus-sc-greenville-anderson-essential-businesses-stay-at-home/2976287001/
I agree. There will be future discussions on what businesses are actually essential and what other businesses are nonessential.
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13 hours ago, apaladin said:
It is my understanding that this is not the popular shelter in place order the other states have. So we are still one of 8 states without it. The order states that a business can pnly have 5 people per 1,000 square feet. So if Lowes has 100,000 square feet they can only have 500 people in the store at one time. Makes sense to me.
Some Walmarts are over 200,000 sf.
The number of customers in a business would be dependent on the number of associates working. If a 50,000-square foot business has 40 associates working, up to 210 customers could shop.
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On 4/3/2020 at 9:30 AM, vistatiger said:
The lot next to Mosby Poinsett Apartments across from Publix at University has been graded. This is the lot where Lidl was supposed to locate. Assuming they still own it construction is about to start.
On 4/3/2020 at 10:21 AM, vicupstate said:I believe Lidl owns the lot between Poinsett and the new cut-thru road. Would love to know what is going on the graded site.
On 4/3/2020 at 6:10 PM, vistatiger said:From the plan I remember posted on one of these boards I thought Lidl owns that back lot to the right that was just graded. Could be wrong but thought that was where a grocery was always planned on earlier diagrams. Guess we will see and wait for a sign.
Lidl US Operations LLC owns the 3.99-acre tract at 340 Galloway Drive, Greenville, South Carolina 29609-0979, the northeast quadrant of Galloway Drive and Poinsett Highway.
When limited discount/assortment grocer Lidl chooses to construct and open a store at this location remains to be known.
Some Walmarts are over 200,000 sf.
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I would assume Cadillac and Lincoln would be domestic luxury brands with dealerships in Spartanburg County. Cadillac has Bradshaw in Greer and Wakefield in Spartanburg. Lincoln has Vic Bailey in Spartanburg.