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A shot this afternoon from the 55W garage, looking east down Pine Street. This thing is huge.
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The view from the 55 W parking garage on Pine:
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No pic either (I was driving), but I too can confirm the very exciting chain link fence being put up today.
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I heard on the news the other day that Dolce (the former Club Paris) is already closed? Is that true? Is it part of the the Hilton coming in, or did they just go out of business?
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There's a red notice on the front door of the sales office announcing a public hearing for a master plan amendment. Does anyone know what the changes are? They've already switched from condos to apartments (though the signage on the sales center still says condos). The rest of the development is retail and office buildings. I'm curious what more they're wanting to change.
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Have people in this town never been to New York or London? H&M is a very cool -- and affordable -- clothes store. (Very popular with people under 40.) Like IKEA, it's a destination store that brings European, modern style to the masses, but only with fashion instead of furnishings. Having an H&M in our downtown would be huge. It'd bring people from all over, which is exactly what our downtown needs: destination retail.
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I agree with cloudship. Pseudo-old world European architecture would simply add to the fake Disney-esque stigma that Orlando already has. It's not natural, and would have zero historical validity here. The last thing we need is more styrofoam and stucco facades. We're a young city, a new city, and we need to play that up. We can't recreate Soho because that kind of character evolved naturally over the last hundred years, and we can't recreate Paris because that took hundreds more. We have the opportunity of doing something completely new and original, and high tech Tokyo/Barcelona/Beijing kind of world class architecture and outdoor technology would give Orlando something that would truly draw creatives and give us the modern edge that not many U.S. cities (especially in the South) currently have. I own a multimedia company, and I can tell you when I'm trying to move world-class designers here Orlando definitely has a negative stigma. There are pockets of cool (Winter Park, Thornton Park, College Park), but it's still a tough sell. But with the new arena going in, the new PAC, Millenia mall and some of the new downtown proposals we've seen, we have the opportunity to have ultra-modern architecture and a Tokyo-type approach to pushing the envelope redefine our city's vibe. We need more of it. You want to make a creative village? Creative companies want visually stunning spaces to work in. We want modern, modern, modern. Orlando has very few options for these kinds of buildings, and if the city fostered an area of architectural innovation, an area that's funky and completely unconventional, I'd move my company there in a second. If we make a truly innovative creative village, not something that looks like Winter Park Village, Orlando can and will change its national reputation. In 5-10 years there could be a real buzz about the city on the national stage, and I can't wait because it'll make it a lot easier for me to move designers here.
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Regarding the seating capacity, no number has been reported yet. What has been reported is that the new arena will be twice the square footage of the TDWH, adding things like restaurants, suites, larger mezzanines, etc. But it's not twice the seating capacity. My guess is that it'd be in the 19,000+- range.
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well aren't you the optimist.
first you say we need to build the arena for tourists on I-Drive, and now you're saying we shouldn't pursue getting an MLB team with the Citrus Bowl money because they might leave one day. the only problem is, the list of teams that have changed cities just once is much, much longer than the ones that have changed cities more than once. if there's a real possibility of luring the marlins, i think we should do it. the question is, is it really a possibility? -
Well, the city of Orlando has to be a major part of the funding and approval for any arena to be built. And when the mayor of said city is saying things like he is, it's pretty obvious he (and the city commission) won't be part of any plan that doesn't include a downtown arena location. And without the city's involvement and funds, no arena will get built, period. I chalk this "controversy" up to local media trying to create a story that's actually a non-story. That's how they sell papers and get viewers.
Orlando Mayor Buddy Dyer told commissioners the tourism industry supports building all three venues downtown and downplayed talk of putting an arena near International Drive, stressing it's coming from developer Marc Watson alone."I don't think it has a whole lot of traction. At the end of the day, most of our community wants us to do this right, and that means putting all three of these venues downtown," Dyer said after the meeting.
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Does anybody know what the Magic get for their contribution? Will they own a percentage of the building? Or more importantly, if they pay $43M up front (if that number is accurate) will they still have to pay a lease for using the building?
If they'd have to pay to use the building, why would the Magic "contribute" anything at all? They'd just be a tenant and it'd be like throwing money away. Now, if for their investment they'd get a percentage ownership in the building or a cut of other revenues generated by the building, I could see the business reason for them investing in it, but if this is just a pure donation and they're still going to have to pay rent, etc., if you look at it from a business perspective, what's in it for them to give anything other than the bare minimum?
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Anybody know the timetable for an architectural rendering and a site decision?
Also, who decides on a price tag for the arena? (And can a price tag be decided on without knowing how much the Magic will contribute?)
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Anyone else see the rendering of the new Citrus Bowl in this week's OBJ? (I can't find the image on their website to link to it.) It looks incredible. Completely state of the art ...
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The NFL has stated over and over that it has no interest in expansion. Therefore, the only way to obtain a team is by relocation, and because of this LA is clearly the favorite.
Well, the NFL is considering putting an expansion team in LA if they can't get a team to relocate there. (Link) But that's definitely an exception, and I agree the only real chance other cities have of landing a team is relocation.
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Cal had SF, SD, LA Rams, and LA Raiders throughout the '80's, some of the '70's and some of the '90's. Now they have 3 teams and a 4th one coming.
Sorry, I should've clarified my point. I meant the NFL would never put four teams in Florida, not that they wouldn't put four teams in any state. California has 35,000,000 residents to our 17,000,000 (link). As much as I want an NFL team in Orlando, four teams makes a lot more sense there than here.
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You're right, I just can't see the NFL ever putting 4 teams in one state, so I think our only hope of getting an NFL team for the Citrus Bowl is if the Jaguars fail in Jacksonville. Considering the Jags close off most of the upper bowl with huge black tarps because of low attendance, it has a small TV market and the team is losing money, I don't think that's too foreign of an idea. I don't think the team would have the same problems here in Orlando (for one thing, Orlando's TV market is 19th in the country vs. Jacksonville at 50).
But even if that happened, it wouldn't be any time soon, and Orlando would have huge competition from other cities for the team. In our favor, though, Sacramento, Los Angeles and Orlando are the largest TV markets with no NFL team, and Los Angeles is getting one. The NFL might be open to the Jaguars moving down the interstate in 5 years or so to keep them in the region even if Jacksonville can't support them. They could potentially keep the team's most loyal fans, and add all of the impact of bringing a team to Orlando. In my opinion, that'd be our only hope of getting an NFL team. I just can't see the NFL adding a fourth team to the state.
With no updated stadium, there's no chance we'd be considered for an NFL team. But it seems pretty risky to spend $250M on something that's nowhere near guaranteed of ever happening. I guess what comes first, the chicken or the egg?
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In today's OBJ, it talks about the possible new Centroplex Marriott. A recap of the article:
The new hotel would be a 15-story, all-suites property with between 315 and 330 oversized units. It would be located in the space east of the existing building, currently used for parking for the hotel and events at the Bob Carr and TD Waterhouse Centre. If details are worked out with the parties involved, including the University of Central Florida, the existing hotel would become dormitory rooms for the academy's students. Should everything fall into place, construction on the new hotel would begin in February 2007 and take about 2-1/2 years.
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Updated Golden Sparrow renderings (sorry if these are a repost, I didn't see them in any threads yet). Really hope this project happens. It'd transform that part of Orange: