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Well, ExpressJet has done it..
RDU loses Louisville (SDF) service, as well as a drop in Kansas City (MCI) and San Antonio (SAT) by 1 flight. This leaves RDU with 10 daily departures instead of 13. ExpressJet noted that the East Coast is not performing as well as the West Coast. Hmmm.. I think there are still markets they could open on the east Coast.. Charleston, Norfolk, Syracuse, Buffalo, Providence, Sarasota, etc...
Man that's too bad. I wonder how long before AA drops SDF. I wonder what they'll do with those planes if they do stop. Will they use them on other RDU routes or move them somewhere else?
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I'm rdu777. Same I don't post too often but read alot.
Some interesting news to not get all too excitied about yet, but Virgin America has had their first plane painted and is closer towards operation. There have been a few rumors that we, at RDU, may see them. This wouldn't be for a few years is my guess. When the RDU-SFO market becomes to big to ignore, I would look for them to maybe make a move. I don't see this happening anytime soon, and United shouldn't be a player on that route since mainline doesn't fly to RDU any longer. AA could eventually be a player, however they just don't come to mind on a route such as RDU-SFO. Sorry for ranting..
I'm sceptical that Virgin America would ever fly to RDU. And like you said if they do it won't be for several more years. They'll probably fly the same overserved routes everyone else flies (SFO-JFK, EWR, IAD, BOS, PHL, MIA, MCO, ORD, etc.)
As far as United goes... RDU's three biggest unserved markets are LAX, SFO, and DEN (though Delta's is starting LAX). LAX, SFO, and DEN happen to be three of United's hubs. Wouldn't it make sense to bring mainline back to RDU and fly to all of these cities once daily (maybe twice for DEN or LAX). After reading a.net for a few years I've decided that I'll never understand airlines.
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TravisNC,
Thanks for the picture. I'm glad someone knew where to find it. It would very nice to see this eventually happen. I guess something to look forward to way down the road. TravisNC are you also on a.net?
Couldn't you imagine all the southwest tails on the northern end of that new Terminal A.
You're welcome.
Yes, that's me. I don't post a lot at on any of the boards (SSP, Skyscraper City, airliners.net, or here), but I read them all daily to keep up with what's going on. Who are you over at a.net?
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There used to be pictures and information proposing a new Terminal A. It nearly tripled the terminals size from around 300,000 sq feet to around 900,000 with ~40 gates. The rendering were very nice. But of course this was before RDUAA took control over terminal C and plans got bumped a bit. However I would except Terminal A to be in the crosshairs a few years after Terminal C's completion if the money is there.
Here's the old proposal for Terminal A. Even though Terminal A needs to be remodeled more than C, I'm glad they're going ahead with C. Terminal C's design is so much more dramatic and interesting than what they were planning for A.
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Does anyone have any information on how Lufthansa's doing on this route? I heard they weren't getting the connection traffic they anticipated but that O&D loads were better than anticipated. Didn't they decrease the frequency of service some time back to less than 7x per week?
It's less than daily during the winter (slow season). I think it was 5x weekly this past winter. Lufthansa also decreases Los Angeles, Boston, and San Francisco during the same time.
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Now that's a good idea. I hadn't thought of that.I'm hoping for an uptown Hyatt once the SouthPark one is converted.Don't feel too bad. I was quite pissed when they converted the Park Hotel to a no-character, generic Marriott.A2
I forgot about that. It wouldn't be so bad if they chose a brand Charlotte doesn't have like Radisson, Conrad, Loews, or Intercontinental.
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Oops almost forgot. Don't forget about the Tower going on with the Hyatt Conversion. Yippeeee !
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I really wish they wouldn't convert the Hyatt into condos! It's the only Hyatt in all of North Carolina. If they want condos why can't they build a new building. That way we could have the Hyatt and still have condos. -
Mexicana got "released" from the Star Alliance, so I doubt they'll be coming to CLT anytime soon. Their whole reason for wanting to be here was for connex to US Airways.
Actually Mexicana left/was thrown out of the Star Alliance before they applied for CLT service. Mexicana left on March 31, 2004. They didn't apply for CLT-MEX until November 30, 2004 (and Guadalajara on 1/3/05).
But, I don't think they're coming anytime soon either. They were approved for service to both cities less than a month after they applied and they're still not flying to CLT. However in Nov & Dec of last year they applied to have their exemptions to fly the routes extended, so maybe CLT is still in the cards. It would be cool to have another International airline at CLT. Let's bring back British Airways while we're at it.
Here's where I got the dates/info if anyone's interested:
Mexico City
http://dms.dot.gov/search/searchResultsAdv...chType=document
Guadalajara
http://dms.dot.gov/search/searchResultsAdv...chType=document
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...The question was asked 'What are the possibilites for expansion?" Thr response was pretty straight forward. After our new store opening in San Francisco later this summer/early fall , there have been NO ne stores planned and no loactions are even being considered...
They've announced plans for four new Bloomingdale's so far, though you may not have included them because they might open before the SF Bloomingdale's is finished. I don't really know the exact dates.
Robinsons-May, South Coast Plaza
Robinsons-May, Fashion Valley Center (San Diego)
Filene's, Chestnut Hill (Boston)
Hecht's, Chevy Chase (under construction, will open as Bloomingdales instead)
Source: http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?...8787&highlight= (about 3/4 down the page)
However, having said all that, I don't think Charlotte will get a Bloomingdale's anytime soon. I would be great if they did, but there are several larger metros without Bloomingdale's that would probably get them before Charlotte (Detroit, Dallas, Houston, Seattle, Phoenix, etc.)
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Thank's guys!
Out of curiousity, what are the 10 largest Neimans square footages?San Francisco, Union Square - 250,000 (expanding from 195,000)
Houston, Galleria - 224,000
Dallas, Northpark - 218,000
Chicago, Michigan Avenue - 188,000
Beverly Hills, Wilshire Blvd - 185,000
Honolulu, Ala Moana Center - 181,000
Las Vegas, Fashion Show - 174,000
Troy (Detroit), Somerset Collection - 157,000
Plano (Dallas), Willow Bend - 156,000
Atlanta, Lenox Square - 154,000
Here are the links to the PDFs where I go this information:
Neiman-Marcus (page 16/18): http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_files/...NMG_2004_AR.pdf
Federated (Macy's, Bloomingdale's) (starting page 41): http://www.federated-fds.com/ir/vote/2005_fact_book.pdf
May (starting page 7): http://www2.mayco.com/common/2004arp/2005_fb_full.pdf
Nordstrom (starting page 28/52): http://library.corporate-ir.net/library/93...662/2004_AR.pdf
I've never been able to find a list like this for Saks, Belk, or Dillards. If anyone knows where to find them let us know.
I figure Neiman Marcus SouthPark will be small in the same way that Nordstron SouthPark is small: because of more efficient layout and less stockrooms.Charlotte's Nordstrom isn't really that small. 65 Nordstroms are larger, 38 are smaller, and 3 are the same size.
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...My store is larger than the Belk @ Southpark...
There's some interesting information in that post, but the Belk at SouthPark is larger than the Bloomingdale's in Boca Raton. Belk-SP is 329,000 sq. ft. and Bloomingdale's-BR is 270,000 sq. ft.
Also, the Charlotte NM will be the second/third smallest store (tied with Austin's opening 2007), but it's not much smaller than most of the NM stores in Florida. Of course the Miami area has 5 stores that make up for their smaller size.
10 Smallest Neiman-Marcus stores:
San Diego, Fashion Valley Center - 106,000
Boston, Natick Mall - 100,000
Miami, Bal Harbour Shops - 97,000
Tampa, International Plaza - 96,000
Orlando, Mall at Millenia - 95,000
Ft. Lauderdale, Galleria Mall - 94,000
Denver, Cherry Creek Mall - 90,000
Austin, The Domain - 80,000
Charlotte, South Park Mall - 80,000
Palm Beach, Worth Avenue - 53,000
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Anyway, back to the Bloomingdale's thing, what's the typical size of a Bloomingdale's? If Hecht's becomes Bloomies, it'll be like 200,000 s/f right
Here are some numbers. I got them from the Federated and May Fact Books:
http://www.federated-fds.com/ir/vote/2005_fact_book.pdf
http://www2.mayco.com/common/2004arp/2005_fb_full.pdf
Full line Bloomingdale's range from 122,000 sq. ft. to 935,000 sq. ft. The average is 233,472 sq. ft.
Macy's range from 2,000 sq. ft.(Honolulu Jewel Gallery) to 2,168,000 sq. ft. The average is 177,890 sq. ft.
Both averages include some specialty Macy's/Bloomingdale's that sell furniture only, jewelry only, etc. I didn't include the overlapping stores that Federated is closing.
Here are the NC stores in question.
Hecht's:
Southpark (Charlotte) - 200,000
Streets at Southpoint (Durham) - 180,000
Triangle Town Center (Raleigh)- 180,000
Crabtree (Raleigh) - 175,000
Northlake (Charlotte) - 165,000
Hanes (Winston-Salem)- 154,000
Northgate (Durham) - 152,000
Carolina Place (Charlotte) - 150,000
Friendly Center (Greensboro) - 148,000
Wendover Place (Greensboro) - 140,000
Mayfaire Town Center (Wilmington) - 140,000
Cross Creek Mall (Fayetteville) - 133,000
Cary Towne Center (Cary) - 105,000
Lord & Taylor:
Crabtree - 98,000
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They're leaving Miami, Des Moines, Madison, & Springfield, IL too. I think I read at airliners.net that the judge in charge of the bankrupcy will decide on Thursday whether Southwest or AirTran will get to buy part of the company.
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jacksonville, nc right?
Right. I would have put the NC at the end, but I didn't since this is in the Charlotte section and I didn't think about it.
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I think I'm more worried about Greenville, Jacksonville, and New Bern than Charlotte if US Airways liqudates. They'll loose all their air service if US Airways stops flying since US is the only airline at those airports. They may have a chance at getting Delta, but as we know Delta's not doing well either. US is the only airline at several other airports along the East Coast. Sure Charlotte will loose nonstop flights to dozens of cities, but other airlines will come in to fill the void by flying to the top destinations out of CLT.
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I am glad that Delta will start flying the CLT-> JFK route since USAirways stopped flying it sometime ago. Even though JFK is a horrendous airport it is still the International hub airport, and its nice to have a direct connection to it again.
This is also a premptive strike by Delta as I am sure that this is the route that jetBlue would like to start flying soon.
It also gives people from Charlotte the ability to connect to the 13 European destinations that Delta serves from JFK and to Delta's Skyteam partners Air France, Alitalia, Czech Airlines, Korean Air, and others.
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So Delta is in trouble too and closing their dallas hub? Did I hear that on the news correctly?
You heard correctly. Delta's going from 254 flights/day to 69 destinations at Dallas to 21 flights/day to 3 destinations (Atlanta, Cincinnati, Salt Lake City, all Delta hubs). However, in that announcement was news that they're starting several new flights including many to NC:
Asheville - Orlando --- 1 additional Flight/Day --- Total of 1 F/D on Delta (not flown by any other airline)
Charlotte - New York (JFK) --- 2 additional F/D --- Total of 2 F/D on Delta (not flown by any other airline)
Greensboro - Fort Lauderdale --- 2 additional F/D --- Total of 2 F/D on Delta (not flown by any other airline)
Greensboro - New York (JFK) --- 1 additional F/D --- Total of 3 F/D on Delta (not flown by any other airline)
Greensboro - Tampa --- 2 additional F/D --- Total of 2 F/D on Delta (not flown by any other airline)
Raleigh - Boston --- 1 additional F/D --- Total of 4 F/D on Delta (also flown by American)
Raleigh - Ft. Lauderdale --- 3 additional F/D --- Total of 5 F/D on Delta (also flown by American and US Airways)
Raleigh - Orlando --- 1 additional F/D --- Total of 6 F/D on Delta (also flown by American, Southwest, and US Airways)
Raleigh - Tampa --- 2 additional F/D --- Total of 2 F/D on Delta (also flown by Southwest)
I hope they'll be around long enough to actually run these flights.
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Well that is good news. USAir doesn't really fly to Dullas as it code shares that with United, but it will none the less put price pressure on USAir's flights to National airport. Too bad that Dullas is not connected to The Metro.
US Airways does fly from CLT to Washington Dulles. They have 6 daily flights (4 on Sat). Also, United flies the route 4 times daily.
It's still good news for Charlotte though. Finally there's another LCC airline in town. The only other one is ATA with 4 flights to Chicago-Midway. Hopefully this can help lower fares some and increase local traffic (O&D).
In other CLT aviation news, US Airways is going to start flying to Barbados and Liberia, Costa Rica from CLT in February 2005. Once those flights start CLT will have nonstop flights to 27 international destinations (124 destinations total).
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It's a tiny picture, but I think this is it. I have a feeling the new proposal won't be nearly as impressive as the old one.
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TravisNC...what is the date for those O/D figures...I have seen recent Charlotte O/D numbers closer to 18,000 per day.
They're from the Department of Transportation: Office of Aviation Analysis from the 3rd Quarter of 2003. They're the latest numbers I know of. http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/X-50%20Ro...rfarereport.htm If you click on "Table 6" it will show a list of all the city pairs with at least 10 passengers/day. It's really hard to read unless you import it in to a spreadsheet program like Excel. If you don't see a particular city pair then look in the section for the other city. For instance Charlotte-Boston is listed under Boston only.
These numbers won't give the total O&D since they don't include city pairs with less than 10 passengers/day (both ways), but at least they're fairly close and each airport is proportional to the others. I don't think that could account for the 6,600+ difference in our numbers. It's also important to remember that the numbers change each quarter. Here are the numbers for the past 6 quarters:
Q2 2002 12,531
Q3 2002 12,424
Q4 2002 11,813
Q1 2003 10,144
Q2 2003 12,180
Q3 2003 11,324
Where did you find the 18,000 number? I'm always interested in finding more info on O&D statistics.
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I think Charlotte's O&D would be a lot higher if US Airways didn't have a strangle hold on CLT. Take Raleigh/Durham for example it has higher O&D than the following cities, even though it's smaller than they are, because it has 4 low cost carriers (LCCs) flying to 10 airports to keep the majors in check and no one carrier completely dominates the airport.
[B]Airport O&D passengers per day[/B] Raleigh/Durham 17,336 Pittsburgh 15,723 (dominated by US Airways) Cleveland 15,596 (dominated by Continental) Charlotte 11,324 (dominated by US Airways) Cincinnati 9,205 (dominated by Delta) Memphis 7,498 (dominated by Northwest) Richmond 4,597 (no LCC presence, big 6 airlines only) Note: I just choose some cities that had unusually low O&D for their size.
Charlotte, Cincinnati, and Richmond are always among the most expensive airports to fly from.
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Thanks for the info Travis. I thought that I would post this link of the pdf of the entire news letter. One of the more interesting things is that it states its cost/seat mile is still significantly higher than any other Airline in the country.
Of course if the airline doesn't make it, and I would say it there is a 50/50 chance it won't, then there will be pleanty of empty gates in Charlotte.
The only airline I know of that has higher costs than US Airways is the new Independence Air/ACA whose CASM (cost per available seat mile) is around $.22. That's about twice US Airways' costs ($.10).
It's very true that they may not make it, but at least, as things stand now, they don't have any plans to reduce flights at CLT. Even if US Airways does stop operating given CLT's extremely low cost for airlines to operate there I can't help but think that some airline would make at least a focus operation.
Here are the costs for some random airports from Leigh Fisher Associates, an aviation consulting firm, via the Pittsburgh Business Times:
Cost per boarding passenger:
DEN - ~$10.00
PHL - $7.55
PIT - $7.26 (~$9 according to US Airways)
STL - $4.06
CVG - $3.53
CLT - $1.30
Charlotte's costs will get a little cheaper too since the airport is starting a Passenger Facilities Charge of $3 to pay for the expansion and to reduce airline costs.
I'm trying to be an optimist about the whole situation, but US Airways is making it hard.
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This is a quote from the US Airways Update, an employee newsletter, that was posted at airliners.net. I seems the plan is to keep CLT a hub and possibly increase domestic and international flights.
Charlotte:
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Good thing you guys cleared that up about A&F. Skylinesbest or that Miami-airport-enthusiast-guy are liable to start a new thread on SSP, charging Charlotte with being inferior because it doesn't have an A&F store... or something to that effect.
Just before I moved to Raleighwood, I nearly got an apartment literally right down the street from NorthLake Mall, in a new complex called AustonWoods. It was tight!
You're so right! I don't mind Skylinesbest, but the Miami-airport-enthusiast-guy is constantly boosting the Miami airport and trashing Charlotte and Charlotte-Douglas airport. He's on just about every forum I read ssp.com, airliners.net, usaviation.com. At least he sometimes comes to the defense of Raleigh's airport.You guys are right, A&F is listed on the web sites for SouthPark mall and Carolina Place mall. I don't know why they don't list them on the A&F web site. They could loose sales like that.
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I really wish they wouldn't convert the Hyatt into condos! It's the only Hyatt in all of North Carolina. If they want condos why can't they build a new building. That way we could have the Hyatt and still have condos.
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You're so right! 
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We just moved to Burlington from Rocky Mount about a month ago and went to Greensboro today to visit Edward McKay's bookstore (sorry the Raleigh location closed). We found some great books and movies and then drove through downtown. I was really impressed with all the shops, restaurants, and bars on Elm Street! We'll definitely have to make another trip over there soon! I'm also excited to explore the rest of the Triad...Winston-Salem, High Point, Pilot Mountain, Thomasville, etc.