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  1. When you factor in convenience and cost, those prices aren't too bad. I've paid ORD parking prices and the $150 - $200 in savings don't go very far, not to mention it's going to cost around $90 dollar fill up to get there and back. And after a long trip, driving your car 3 hours home isn't fun. If my travel plans are a little more flexible, I'll visit a sister in Chicago and then take the Blue Line EL to the airport. It can be quicker and much cheaper than leaving a car at the airport.

    IMHO the killer for G.R. Ford is Lansing. A 60 mile drive to Lansing can save you $150 a ticket. That right there shows what a low cost carrier can do. I don't see much difference from taking a connector flight for GR to Detroit/Chicago than from Lansing to Detroit/Chicago, but doing so out of Grand Rapids adds about $150 to $200 a ticket, where out of Lansing it adds about $50.

  2. On Saturday I went to Meijer Gardens with some friends. (This would be the botanical attraction that's located in GR Township.)

    The seasonal display includes a train layout (someone tell me the scale; each car is 12 or 16" long), and the track is decorated with replica buildings. Interestingly, and ironically, there are no suburban lifestyle centers, no Waterfall Plaza pedestrian debacle, no beltline. Here are a few of them:

    Most likely S or O scale.

    S scale the cars would be around a foot long. O scale around a foot and a half.

    Handy comparison chart for average car sizes:

    Z - 3 to 4 inches (rare to see)

    N - 5 inches (uncommon but will see occasionally)

    HO- 9 inches (most popular)

    S - 12 inches

    O - 18 inches

    G - 24+ inches (garden trains)

  3. Very good point - and a string argument for completing the remainder of the stormwater system. And even with the NKSA taking pressure off the GR sewer system, GR will probably still face the need to upgrade its system in the not so distant future. This is clearly where we should be planning to spend our dwindling financial resources. The greatest waterfront development in the world isn't going to succeed if the river is constantly filled with sewer overflows.

    But returning the river to it's natural state would probably improve the water quality.

    The dams in place actually add to the color of the river. The sixth street dam holds back the waterflow. Add in sunlight to mix with a slowdown in waterflow and natural sediments being carried from downstream will allow for more alge growth than if the river was freeflowing. Now compound the issue with fertilizer runoff from properties flanking the river. Even more food for the green stuff to grow on.

    As for my two cents worth, I actually like the development plans GR as doing currently with the Grand. I like the emphasis of putting the riverfront to recreational walks and parks over retail and commercial development.

    I remember being downtown in the mid-70's as a little lad, and that was a time where the river was truly being ignored. The 80's were the time where they started turning it around. Gillete bridge was coverted from auto traffic to a footbridge first, then the old rusting black railroad bridge was converted later to our lighted blue footbridge of today. (I can remember walking across the old railroad ties to cross the river back when the Ford Museum was dedicated. I actually bypassed the Secret Service pat down and screening that day by doing it! The fun things you could get away with back then as a young teen :thumbsup: ) Beleive me when I say that in 20 years the river front has improve 1000%.

    To sum it up: Today you fish for trout, in the 70's it was carp.

  4. I'm sure much of it had to do with cost as well, but it sure detracts from an environment by looking over a sea of car rooftops.

    Imagine THIS SHOT full of cars. :sick:

    On another positive note: Metro health recognized for environmental excellence

    It depends what they do with medians in the parking lot. I know from environmental standards that big parking lots like that generate alot of heat from the sun warming the blacktop. If they truly are being lauded for environmental excellence, I expect that those medians will be filled with trees that can grow to sufficient height to keep the lot significantly shaded.

    The building itself maybe very green and environmentally friendly, but the parking lot and landscaping need to follow in the same concept to be truly "environmentally excellent". Exposed blacktop needs to be shaded, and landscaping needs to be designed to minimize water use. So they need plenty of trees in the parking lot and a minimal use of large grass lawn areas that would require daily watering.

  5. So from here on, sombody ahead of me in a Meijer store cleckout lane who insists on paper bags will be hit up side the head with a bannana.

    Given the choice between an petroleum based plastic bag and a wood based paper bag, I fing myself requesting paper a lot more lately.

    Lucky for me I like bananas...

  6. Below is an image of a map that I was given a few years ago. I don't know the date.

    Somewhere in the range 1900 and 1914 is my best guess.

    I base this on the fact that the railroads on the map are marked Pere Marquette, Lake Shore & Michigan Southern, and Grand Rapids & Indiana.

    The Pere Marquette line was originally the Chicago & West Michigan RR before a merger with two other railways created the Pere Marquette in 1900. The GR&I started out in 1854 until it was absorbed into Pennsylvania RR in 1918. The LS&MS started out in 1869 until it was absorbed into the NY Central RR in 1914.

    So the Pere Marquette dates the map as no earlier than 1900. The lack of the PRR and NYC being listed strongly suggests that it's earlier than 1915.

    Very nice piece of history you have there!

  7. The bridge to the left I would guess is Fulton, the next bridge is a railroad bridge (now the blue ped bridge). I think this pictures was taken from the roof of a building about where Kinko's sits now. I think a few people around here were alive at the time, so maybe they can verify. :lol:

    River structures from left to right.

    Truss bridge - Railroad bridge for the old G.R. & I (At least I think it was built for the G.R. & I. If not, it's the Chicago & West Michigan RR that became part of the Pere Marquette/C&O/CSX system.)

    Truss bridge - Fulton St bridge (This bridge must not have lasted long. 1890's maps don't show it, and the current open spandrel bridge was built in 1927.)

    Truss bridge - G.R. & I RR bridge

    Truss - Second railroad bridge?

    (First thought: Interesting, because I can't find any maps with this bridge on it. 1890's with a gap to a 1914 map. At most it lasted 20 years, or one of the maps I saw is seriously wrong.)

    (Second thought: Could the rock pile in the river be the remains of a footing for this bridge?)

    Arch bridge - Pearl St bridge

    Arch bridge - Bridge St bridge

    Line in the river - Dam at the head of the canal system

    Faint bridge beyond - Leonard St bridge.

  8. Speaking of the East Beltline, this kind of development is OK, but a "village" with a main street, rear parking, and residential mixed in is not? <_<

    168436708_afb1f1e814.jpg

    (proposed retail center where Flowers of the Field sits now)

    Because why fill all that space up with nice buildings and trees, when you can have 40 acres of nice flat asphalt instead? :sick:

  9. I'm glad they never went with that design. It looks like they were trying to recreate "Grab Corners" by cutting off Monroe at Lyon and forcing traffic to turn and go to Campau. While the plan would have created a huge pedestrian area in the middle of DT, I think the traffic problems it would have caused around that area would have discouraged foot traffic from entering that area.

    Plus I prefer road traffic along side foot traffic in a downtown setting, provided that their is ample sidewalk space. The city feels more alive that way.

    *sniff* The old "Hall of Justice". I still can't believe they tore it all down and evicted Superman, Wonder Woman, and the rest of the Justice League.

    halljust.jpg

  10. this is true, but don't we rely on out of town contractor for alot of the work that happens?

    Maybe as the general contractor and some specialty work, but alot of the work is subcontracted out to local companies.

    Plus remember supply comes into the equation as well. There is only so much concrete that can be manufactured and poured in this area.

  11. I'm thinking the same way. I was expecting more news on this and MSU by now. Wonder if something is up or if I'm getting paranoid :unsure:

    You're getting paranoid :thumbsup:

    Unless some out of town contractors start showing up for work, there is only so much labor that can be applied to jobs. Let some foundations get filled and move on to the next phase, and more holes will open up soon enough.

  12. There's a plaque on the East side of the building explaining its history. Maybe dbrok or someone else working downtown can snap a picture of it. :P

    Look closely and you can make out "Justice" in place of Ottawa. According to this map, at one point Ottawa Ave only travelled between Bridge and Lyon. Between Lyon and Pearl there was no road. Justice started up at Pearl followed the elbow, and connected up at Fulton Street. When they finally punched a road between Pearl and Lyon, they must of renamed the entire stretch Ottawa to avoid confusion.

    1836plat.jpg

    Look at how much the river was re-engineered with the dams. The new Marriott could of been sitting on it's own island!

  13. I love the view of the downtown skyline when Im heading east on 196 and come around that curve near the Lake Mihigan Drive exit. I would love to get some pictures of it but am not sure how to get up into the hill above there. Any ideas?

    Off the exit, head west on Lake Michigan Dr to Graham Rd. (First street off of Lake Michigan on the right)Head north on Graham to Bridge. Turn east on Bridge to Sunset Ave (on the right). It's been about fifteen years since I was on that street, so I'm not sure how good the view is from there now. It's probably the closest street with the highest vantage point overlooking the Ford Fwy.

  14. I love the West Side meijer and wouldn't change all that much about it. Even though its one of the older style meijers, it doesn't seem to have become the dump that some of the others have.

    This was years back that I worked as a merchy for Brooks Beveraging and worked those stores. I always remember Alpine is being and older store that was well maintained. Kind of like Jenison Meijer. It's old, you can tell it's old because it looks worn, but you can ignore it because it looks like the work on it.

    Now Meijer 28th/Kalamazoo is ancient and doesn't have that same feel, and if you get into the backroom you'd call it ghetto Meijer as well. You feel like your in a back alley in the Bronx when working there. Other Meijer stores are much more spacious in their backroomm setups. Meijer Plainfield is similar. A very cramped building in both the aisles and backroom.

    I like the old style Meijer stores with the shops on the balconies above the checkouts. Plainfield's balcony area, however, scares me. You have a hair salon on one end and right next door is a place that sells artificial limbs.

    "Hi! I'd like a little off the top, trim it up over the ears, and lose the left leg please..."

  15. :lol: Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything (or Anyone). Every public hearing I go to, I keep thinking about BANANA's now. They're real people, and there are more than I can believe.

    Yikes, that would make running out for a gallon of milk and a prescription quite the adventure.

    I didn't think hermits went to planning commission meetings. :dontknow:

  16. I think that original design is SWEET!! :D

    Ya know, it does look like the JW as well (can't believe I missed that). Maybe they're building an NFL New World Order, Nitro :ph34r:

    They designed the building just after the President of H&R Block signed up for Sprint. He was overheard saying:

    "Oval shape buildings lead to offices with no corners. Just one more example of me sticking it to the man..."

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